[ED: CHECK OUT UPDATE MEASLES UK 2013 – Health Officials in Tail-Spin Over Vastly Hyped Claims of Welsh Measles Epidemic – BBC Removes False Claims from Website – ADDED 12 May 2013 @ 0400 UTC/00:00 EST/05:00 GMT]
[ED: CHECK OUT COMMENTS AT END FOR LATEST FIGURES FOR APRIL AND DISCUSSION – ADDED 4 May 2013 @ 10:30 UTC/05:30 EST/11:30 GMT]
UPDATE 13/5/13 – April figures:
We stated on May 3, when this article was posted
.. if the figures for April are wildly different, you will know for sure someone is not telling it as it is.”
We were 100% right.
Public Health Wales own figures of confirmed measles cases to the end of March 2013 were 8 for the whole of Wales:
See Table on Page 18 “2013 – Reports of Measles virus by LHB/LA of residence by month (table 2 of 2)”
The figures HPW published in their monthly report to the end of February were also 8 confirmed cases. By Sunday 14th April the figures reported for March in the weekly reports issued during April totalled 15 for the period to 31 March. By Tuesday 7th May the March figure was stated to be 22.
Public Health Wales own information also states:
Reported notifications of measles usually far exceed the actual numbers of confirmed cases. Other rashes are often mistaken for measles.” Measles Public Health Wales Health Protection Division – [accessed & added to CHS 12 May 2013].
But Public Health Wales claimed vastly more laboratory confirmed measles cases than existed in confirmations from their own laboratory and England combined.
To put the following into context in the first three weeks of 1959 there were 41,000 cases reported in England and Wales. In the British Medical Journal doctors described measles as “mild”: British Medical Journal Tells Us – Measles Is Not The Scary Disease The Press Want You To Think It Is
This is what was put out on British news by Public Health Wales during April 2013:
Chronology of claims of confirmed cases – source ITV News:
Wed 03 Apr 2013 – Last week the number of confirmed cases stood 432 [ED: sic].
That was the number claimed to the end of March.
Fri 05 Apr 2013 – The number of confirmed measles cases in the Swansea area has risen by 47 this week, according to the latest figures from Public Health Wales. It now stands at 588 – a slight increase from the 541 cases confirmed earlier this week.
And that was just for the Swansea area – one city and surrounding area – not the whole of Wales.
Thu 18 Apr 2013 – Public Health Wales will release the latest figures for the ongoing measles outbreak today. On Tuesday the number of confirmed cases had risen to 765.
Fri 19 Apr 2013 – There are now over 800 confirmed cases in Wales.
Thu 25 Apr 2013 – Earlier this week the number of confirmed cases of the virus stood at 886 – a rise of 78 new cases since last Thursday.
Sat 27 Apr 2013 – latest figures from Public Health Wales revealed the number of confirmed cases of measles reached 942.
Tue 30 Apr 2013 – The number of measles cases continues to rise and has now reached 1,011, according to figures released today by Public Health Wales.
None of this was true. Public Health Wales never did have the numbers of cases they were claiming as confirmed.
By 2nd May it was reported confirmed cases for Wales were 370 with 850 tested and with 1,170 notified. Suddenly the numbers of cases claimed by Public Health Wales as confirmed had fallen by nearly two thirds: MMR vaccination drive targets 43,000 children as measles epidemic spreads Press Association The Guardian, Thursday 2 May 2013.
It is claimed recently some laboratory tests had been sent to England for testing and that the figures were not in Public Health Wales’ own reports. However, when the February and March figures were published by Health Protection Wales, no qualification to that effect appeared either on the HPW’s website and it does not appear in the reports, so was thus not being applied to the February and March figures by Public Health Wales. It appears a more recent claim added to HPW’s website on 9th May.
UPDATE 17 MAY
If HPW’s 9th May claim is correct [that their figures do not include tests carried out in England of Welsh notifications] the one case in Swansea is likely to have been bolstered by one confirmation from an English laboratory – making two confirmed cases in March in Swansea when HPW’s figures for notifications were 181 cases in Swansea and on 26th March HPW claimed 432 cases in the whole of Wales.
It can be seen that less than half of confirmations come from England – as more recent figures issued by HPW show.
The number of tests from England can be seen from HPW’s 2nd May news release stating: “The number of laboratory confirmed cases in the outbreak stands at 370 out of a total of 850 samples tested.” … “Across the whole of Wales the total is 1,170.” as their latest report published 15th May shows 209 confirmed cases in April. So less than half the tests – 161 appear to have been carried out in England.
And as reported here, their figures to 31st March showed 8 confirmed cases to the end of March for all Wales – 1 in Swansea and two more in the Swansea area.
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NOW FOLLOWS THE ORIGINAL 3RD MAY CHS ARTICLE AS PUBLISHED HERE:
Big Headline – but a very short posting to the links to the official figures just published by Public Health Wales. You will not believe your eyes – so download them and see for yourself. Links to the full official statistics reports below from Public Health Wales.
If you take any notice of the British press you will know that the “epicenter” of this British epidemic of epic earthquake proportions – is Swansea in Wales UK. That is where all the fuss is about.
Guess how many cases of measles there really were – no – not the huge numbers the British media reported.
Public Health Wales figures to the end of March recorded just ONE laboratory confirmed case out of 183 notified cases in March – that is 18,200% over-diagnosed – or put another way – 0.005 of notified measles cases were really measles. And hey, lots of them have not been vaccinated and they still have not caught measles. How about that.
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For the entire period 1 January to March 31, 2013 for the whole of Wales Public Health Wales own reports recorded there were just 26 laboratory confirmed cases out of 446 notifications: 10 in January, 8 in February. And in March just eight cases out of 302 notifications for the whole of Wales.
That is a percentage rate of over-diagnosis and over-notification in March of 3774% or just 0.027 of notified cases were actually measles – and it is medical professionals who do the diagnosing and notifying. Kind of knocks your faith in the ability of doctors to diagnose a basic childhood illness. And we must not forget the poor man who died – but no one knows what he died of and three doctors did not diagnose it as measles.
But the British media lapped it up – after all – it was a death and you know how they love to wave the shroud to sell their papers in an ever-dwindling market. Journalism – a dying profession in more ways than one.
Photos – 7th April 2013 – British Media Report on Massive queues as emergency immunisation centres open in Swansea:
[click on photo for enlarged image in new window]
And the media hype is exactly the same kind of tosh from public health officials that we saw over SARS, then bird ‘flu, then swine ‘flu.
Now you can see the extent of the scam being run by public health officials in Wales, UK.
Don’t bother buying newspapers or believing the garbage news from the BBC and other TV “journalists”. These people are just irresponsible. You cannot trust what they write or broadcast:
An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery.”
You can rely on good old CHS because we let you check out the figures here all by yourself. Compare these two separate official reports – one is laboratory confirmed cases and the other is notifications:
See Table on Page 18 “2013 – Reports of Measles virus by LHB/LA of residence by month (table 2 of 2)”
And compare with this:
See Table on Page 4 “2013 – Notifications of Measles by LHB/LA of residence by month (table 2 of 2)”
BUT: the really interesting bit will be the figures for April. When there is a big panic on stirred up in 66 million people of the UK by just a handful of health officials and the completely useless easily manipulated British media, doctors will be notifying the spots on their tablecloths as measles. So if the figures for April are wildly different, you will know for sure someone is not telling it as it is.
Let’s wait for the April figures.
And in ten years time might we be amused by a confession like:
Oh dear, how the janitor when cleaning up accidentally spilled measles virus into all of those negative samples by accident before I tested them, and he did not tell me til yesterday.
So the one case in Swansea from 181 notifications is likely to have been bolstered by another confirmation from an English laboratory – making two confirmed cases in March in Swansea when HPW were claiming 181 cases notified and claiming to the public there were 432 cases in the whole of Wales.
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Thanks CHS how many deaths have they caused,how many disabled children ,howmany autistic kids,how many diabetis kids…through this untested vaccine… the list grows all the time nothing to do with vaccines but of course they know its to do with the following
For sure vaccines are safe so why do they have a vaccine injury compensation board in the UK??
This is a list of the ideas the mainstream media has offered over the last 2 years (particularly the joke factory being run by the BBC).
Possible explanations or the current scientific theories on the Autism epidemic :
1. Older Fathers
2. Older Grandfathers
3. Watching too much TV
4. Near major Road traffic
5. Mother was abused as a child
6. Because we saw the film Rainman when we were young , Uta Frith (a scientist with 40 years experience in the autism field)I did send a question to dear Uta to which she has never replied , which was , I also saw the film the Exorcist , and did she think that might have had any bearing on my childs outcome .
7. Sunlight levels
8. Genetic heritable condition
9. Obese Mothers
10. Using Facebook & the internet
11. Placenta folds may predict autism risk
12. Babies born weighing more than 9lb 14oz or under 5lb 5oz have a higher of developing autism
Can you add to my list perhaps ? I am going cold..
Angus
Yes-and try this one on notified measles cases in the Swansea area:-
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/888/page/66389#d
“Data on confirmed measles cases and their immunisation history continues to be actively collected during the outbreak. The validity of the data will not be finally confirmed and published until after the outbreak is over.”
Scroll down to the block graph which shows the largest ‘spike’ to be 1-4 year olds. Hey-Wait a minute. Didn’t they tell us mostly teenagers were getting infected?…..and that 1-4 year olds were nearly all vaccinated? Of course NONE of these cases was CONFIRMED.
So the £10 million cost of all those emergency vaccines and the further £20million to vaccinate anything that moves in the UK, would appear to be a waste of taxpayers’ money, a nice little earner for the vaccine manufacturers and a great opportunity to blame Andrew Wakefield (again) for yet another UK Government ‘cock up’.
I’m new to this subject area. Can you clarify for me please, would all the notified cases have been tested? So there were lots of lab tests done and only 1 in Swansea was positive, the rest were negative? Or are notified cases not tested, so we don’t really know what they were? Thanks.
I’ve been pursuing these figures for the last week or so, so thanks.
I thought it’s been interesting that the post mortem on that fellow who died with measles in him, was announced as ‘inconclusive’.
This seems rather odd to me and I’m suspecting that it’s more that they’re waiting till the epidemic is ‘over’ and the campaign has achieved it’s vaccination targets, before they announce the actual results proper.
The other thing is the media release dated may 2, 2013, here – http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/888/news/27029 – mentions that the total confirmed is 370 out of 850 samples tested, but the dates are not clear for this stat.
I will be having a look more deeply later ( when I have time ) but where are these differing and increased figures coming from do you know ? april figures not released ? ( like I said I can’t look properly until later )
Those pre april stats are extraordinary really.
One of the questions I will be asking them is why they release reported measles stats instead of waiting for the confirmed ones when they have a reponsibility to manage community anxieties and concerns.
The media’s reasons for doing so I already know the answer to. Nothing new there.
So this would suggest that Doctors in Wales report first, then do a blood test later?
It just goes to show that many Doctors these days wouldn’t know childhood diseases anymore if they fell over them, most doctors who saw these diseases every day have most probably now long retired, this is why these diseases can be so dangerous now, it can take a while for your GP to diagnose.
I don’t have a complete insight into the report numbers and what they actually mean, but the reports and numbers you have actually posted I think are completely misunderstood by yourself. I say this because, they are quite different from the overall stats, and this page actually gives some insght into how accurate the notifications are .. ie pretty accurate (as since notifications have been confirmed by oral fluid IgM).
http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1195733811358
One other point I would make, any one who trivializes either Bird Flu or SARS is making quite apparent what a fool they are. Both of these organisms are extremely virulent. Should bird flu actually manage to mutate to allow human to human spread (which has been achieved in a lab) then it is truly frightening what could happen should it spread to the wider community.
The main aim of this measles campaign is to manufacture mass hysteria so that we go get the MMR vaccine and then the drug companies, the medics and government can make a great deal of money out of it. That is what it is all about, so they over-exaggerate, lie and make grand assumptions, and they also practice bad science and bad medicine to catch as many people in the measles net. This is all that this campaign is about, nothing more. Take the profit out of it and no one would be interested. We must understand that the medics do not understand the mechanisms of disease and so they try their best to get rid of symptoms through suppression with drugs and vaccines and if and when these symptoms go away, which means that they push these symptoms back inside the body instead of managing the illness, then they celebrate a success. But this so-called success is not immunity, it is suppression in all its glory. When we suppress disease symptoms, we will make ourselves sick. So in this case, we go to the doctor who systematically makes us sick. That is a form of madness.
And are these the april figures ( or am I in the wrong pdf ? )
Click to access weekly%20201317%20lab.pdf
This report puts confirmed measles in wales at around 162 ( total including wks 12 & 13 = 177 so I subtracted the 2/6/5/2 numbers in those weeks ( not april ) to get 162 )
Have I got this right ?
Latest update from April show a larger increase. http://www2.nphs.wales.nhs.uk:8080/CommunitySurveillanceDocs.nsf/
Another 177 lab confirmed in April – But still no epidemic.
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Thanks.
Here are the links to the latest figures for 4 complete weeks Monday 1st April to Sunday April 28th – Week 17.
Don’t forget to compare the Laboratory confirmed to Notified:
Notified by Week
Laboratory confirmed by Week.
And these figures were published on 30th April so why were they not released to the media?
At the Anonymous “Childsafety”,
Clearly you can’t read, the link I posted or the basic information supplied. The listed notifications are corrected. ie they have been tested via Oral fluid IgM for measles. So they are essentially accurate data. THAT IS – ALL THE CORRECTED NOTIFICATIONS HAVE TESTED POSITIVE TO MEASLES. Compare these to the number of uncorrected. The Oral fluid IgM test appears to be around 95% accurate to lab testing, according to what I have read. But, I am not a specialist in the field so I would happily be corrected by someone who knows more. I would suspect the lab testing is only done is specific instances when there is issue with the oral test, or some other indication. One can clearly see from the figures that many of the notifications for what ever reason don’t end up being tested and are left out of the confirmed notifications. So clearly the confirmed notifications is an underestimate of the true number of cases in the epidemic.
That you misrepresent the number so, even when presented with clear information means you are either intentionally deceptive in the the interpretation of the numbers or unable to understand them. I honestly don’t care which you are.
Bird flu, is still around and has a documented case mortality of over 60%, and these numbers are easy to find. In 1918 the Spanish flu had a case mortality of 10 percent and it killed tens of millions of people worldwide. If you can’t add the dots to what would happen should human to human transmission occur with the bird flu then I refer back to the previous paragraph.
With all due respect, they do not laboratory test for measles in all cases, as it is a disease with easily recognisable clinical signs as so it would be a waste of tax payers money if it will not change the treatment. (Just like a doctor will diagnose chicken pox by looking at the lesions). So no conspiracy here at all.
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http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/vaccine-controversy-a-pubmed-compilation-of-studies-linking-vaccines-to-autism/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22099159/
http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/11/2227/pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9756729/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013409001895
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013411002194
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819810/
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287394.2010.519317
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287394.2011.573736
http://m.lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/223.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3086677/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3059681/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21350943/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20803069/
http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(07)00185-0/abstract
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1385%2FNMM%3A9%3A1%3A83
Can we ever trust any statistics from any authorities/pharma?
Read this charming story.
The Norwegian Public Health Institute (FHI) adapts information from WHO to suit situations in Norway.
They were obviously too eager to push the MMR vaccine and in their “adapting” the info from WHO:
The institute recently published that 350000 children die from measles yearly in the world. My friend Dag F noticed this on FHI’s FB site and asked them to correct the figure to those of the WHO: 158000.
They corrected, but Dag F then asked them to correct again as they had stated that the deaths applied to children when it should be both adults and children. The institute corrected again and explained that they had worked a bit too quickly (!)
The Institute is used to having almost sole monopoly for info to the public and obviously does not reckon that anyone compares their information with other sources.
But oral measles tests can often be negative if the rash has been present less than 3 days so a negative test doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not measles. Plus not all samples will get tested in an outbreak due to the numbers involved so I don’t think confirmed cases numbers mean much at the moment
It has been said that the Oral fluid IgM test appears to be around 95% effective, but this says to me that this test is deeply flawed and so we cannot accept testing based on a flawed testing kit. This reminds me of the so-called hiv tests, none of which test for so-called hiv. Regardless, lab technicians translate these tests into the language of hiv, and this depends on the fashion and the politics of the day.
And so if a person is black, gay or poverty stricken, as an example, then they are more likely to receive an hiv positive diagnosis than someone white from high society.
So when the health authorities need a measles positive test to support their campaign, then once again the lab technicians do what they are programed to do and translate a so-called positive test result as measles. So we have a welsh man who died, and the media say that this was the first measles death, but if there had been say a polio epidemic or a mumps epidemic, then the diagnostic test result would then be translated into polio or mumps, whatever the case may be. This is what goes on, and so these testing kits are not to be relied upon.
If we base our numbers on testing kits, then we are completely wasting our time. They did this with so-called hiv, regardless that we have never manufactured a testing kit that is able to test for ‘hiv’. Being as this is the case, then no one has hiv until a testing kit can be manufactured that is able to detect it. I do not think that this will ever happen. I suggest we watch the film House of Numbers on youtube that covers this issue. But let’s look at The Body Shop website where it states this…
“In 2003, UNAIDS reported that approximately one third, or 12.1 million, of those estimated to be living with HIV/AIDS worldwide were under the age of 25. There are almost 6,000 infections per day among 15-24 year olds, one every 15 seconds.“
Being as there is no test, then the reality is that no one is hiv positive, but UNAIDS need to conjure up and falsify these numbers because only then does this generate funding, and so the drug companies, governments and medics can make a huge profit. Measles epidemics and polio epidemics and hiv epidemics are no different, it’s merely bad politics and bad science joining hands, to generate more and more dollar bills. Business is business, and that is how it is. We must never underestimate human greed.
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Negative tests, positive tests, this is a Pandora’s box. Check out The Perth Group website, and like I say, watch House of Numbers and the answer to hiv testing kits are in that film. I would suggest that measles testing is also based on similar lines.
Do we catch measles? I don’t think it is so simple. There may be some kind of contact disease involved, but I doubt that it is as simplistic as germ causing disease. Measles is a childhood disease and it comes and goes for a reason and in a certain time period. Viera Scheibner states that this is a disease that concerns detoxification and also childhood development and so symptoms should not be ‘got rid’ of through suppression such as vaccines and drugs. This is dangerous as this can cause very serious problems. When a measles child is treated by a medical doctor, this treatment based on suppression may well kill the child. The doctor then shouts out from the rooftops that measles is a killer, but it may have been the medical treatment that caused that to happen. Poor measles management. The reason for this is that medical doctors do not understand the mechanisms of disease. We rarely hear the full story. I tend to feel that contact with a measles child sets off a process that is ready to surface. This may be why not all children develop measles from a measles party. I don’t know what that process is, but I would be interested if anyone does. All a measles vaccine will do is poison the child, cause a serious immune system crisis, which is so serious that the body puts all other less threatening disease on hold, such as measles, and then a doctor comes along and seeing no symptoms, then celebrates a successful vaccine, and this suppression he calls immunity. That is madness, but this seems to be the reality. Homeopaths think along these lines. This is why vaccines and poor medical treatment and blind ignorance are far worse than the measles disease itself.
Reblogged this on rudehealth and commented:
Thanks to eagle-eyed Child Health Safety we can see the truth behind the measles media hysteria. I wonder if any of those rabid pro-vaccine folk will comment on this? I very much doubt it…
In the NHS briefing linked below it states that due to the high number cases it is not likely that laboratory confirmation will occur.
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/888/page/66389
Personally I believe that it is a waste of tax payers money to test everyone in a cluster of cases. The NHS is stretched enough as it is
As far as my use of the term conspiracy is concerned, you are seeming to imply that the government has a vested interest in lying to the general public over this matter. Which as the definition if conspiracy is “evil, unlawful, treacherous or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons”, I felt that that summed up your view. My mistake.
Once again, a bunch of people who don’t understand medicine – doctors often diagnose imperially and don’t run lab tests when the observable data makes lab work unnecessary. Lab tests are not required to diagnose measles, it is easily diagnosed differentially based on very specific rash pattern and incubation time.
I am interested to know how many of the confirmed cases are in children who have been fully vaccinated, will this information be available? I know of at least one…
I live in the area ‘affected’, have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances, and work with 60 members of staff (including health professionals). I do not know of anyone, or anyone who knows of anyone, who has been confirmed with measles. Rather odd!
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This article is wrong. NOT ALL notified cases are being tested for confirmation. The lab test are run for few cases.
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Hi
I come at this from a slightly different angle, as the father of a two year old with Leukemia. The children’s cancer ward which my son is being treated on was exposed to the disease this week, so all the children had to be given a blood product which contains anti-bodies which they hope will give these children who don’t have functioning immune systems some protection.
This treatment had a side effect of inducing a fit in a couple of the children treated and it was all pretty unpleasant.
I understand that parents are concerned about vaccines, but for the most vulnerable in society, I wish people would have their children immunised.
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Sadly these cancer children are very ill and so you then make a giant leap in faith by justifying a measles vaccine. This is a typical response because in this you clearly believe that vaccines are effective in protecting children. But if you go into that word ‘effective’, as opposed to making a grand assumption and taking a giant leap, then you will find that a vaccine is basically foreign matter that should never ever be injected into the flesh, and so as far as the cells of the body are concerned, this is a poison and so a very serious threat to the health and life of the patient.
Also take into consideration that a medical doctor does not understand the mechanisms of disease especially childhood diseases and any serious threat of poisoning will interfere and suppress such diseases, and so a vaccines does not immunise, it merely pushes the symptoms of measles as an example, back into the body. So we have a cancer child who is being treated by cancer drugs which is probably the wrong thing to do, and then we introduce a vaccine poison or in this case blood products containing antibodies, another can of worms, and then the children suffer from fits, which is hardly surprising.
We are all conditioned to believe that disease justifies vaccine and this is a common reaction, but a sick child needs good medical treatment, not a chemo poison or a vaccine poison. Dr. Peter Lind in his article titled ‘Vaccination is not immunity’ states that vaccinations and antibiotics given to newborns and older children puts them at risk for debilitating long term neurological reactions. Long-term immunity is often impaired. We are experiencing this today the world over.
http://www.wellnessreport.net/blog.html
Notice that he does not say that vaccines protect a child from harm and produce a healthy child. We may believe this because this is how we are conditioned, but the reality is quite another matter. This belief that we have, that vaccine is the answer to measles, is wishful and magical thinking, but this is an immediate unthinking emotional reaction simply because we do not know the mechanisms of disease. It is no different to medical voodoo, belief in dreams, trances, and ritual possessions, deceptive or delusive nonsense, and this is how primitive our thinking and our medicine is when we respond like this. To understand vaccines, we must also understand that process of conditioning. When we believe or assume, then we do not understand this process, and so we then close our eyes and poison en masse.
Angus,
I listened to a joke and laughed a lot whilst pregnant. Does that account for my sons Autism?
[ED: Measles Outbreaks – Major Conflict in official figures for England & Wales for 2012 from Public Health England.
One set of figures say 2030 laboratory confirmed cases and the other set say 1137.
Twice the number of laboratory confirmed cases in one set of figures compared to the other but both are meant to be laboratory confirmed for the same year.
And it is now May 2013 and these are the 2012 figures.
1) Here it is 2030 lab confirmed cases:
Last reviewed: 22 February 2013 – Data for 2012 stated “provisional”
*Provisional data
Confirmed cases of Measles, Mumps and Rubella 1996-2012 – ALL LABORATORY CONFIRMED CASES OF MEASLES, MUMPS & RUBELLA England and Wales, 1996 – 2012*
2) Here it is 1137 lab confirmed cases:
Last reviewed: 22 February 2013
Only the last quarter for 2012 is stated “provisional”.
Notified
Cases
Measles notifications (confirmed cases) England and Wales 1995 – 2012* by quarter]
Reblogged this on Carole….
Weren’t there more than 80 hospital admissions related to measles? Don’t they count?
excellent info – well backed up and excellent destruction of trolls and other people not correctly reading the info. Check out 25 ways to suppress the truth, http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html very enlightening, some good examples on these posts methinks.
I’ve given this a fairly quick go over and I’m almost certain this blog post is misrepresenting the facts.
“Guess how many cases of measles there really were – no – not the huge numbers the British media reported.
There was just ONE laboratory confirmed case out of 183 notified cases in March – that is 18,200% over-diagnosed – or put another way – 0.005 of notified measles cases were really measles. And hey, lots of them have not been vaccinated and they still have not caught measles. How about that.”
To understand this I just needed to understand what “laboratory confirmed” means. It means that the case has been examined by a laboratory which confirmed that yes, the case is measles.
This does not mean that all the other cases weren’t measles!
Therefore the entire premise that only a small fraction of the reported cases were actually measles, is a logical fallacy. It may be the truth, it may not be, no-one knows. Due to the risks involved it is wise to err on the side of caution and make an assumption (yes it’s fine to do sometimes) that a percentage of the reported cases that weren’t laboratory confirmed, were indeed measles.
Looking at some news reports and the official health site it is possible that that some reports have in a way, conflated, the rise in cases, I don’t know for sure but it looks like this is more to do with the way that the current levels are portrayed rather than the overall rise which seems apparent from looking at the historical data, particularly with it’s peak in 2009 recently but since then some years have seen little some have seen more. This all needs to be taken into account when analysing the situation.
I don’t dismiss the idea that all of this could be a bit of engineering but I think it’s safe to say that the way the issue is being portrayed here is misleading and potentially dangerous.
As a newcomer to all this, I’ve just been on to the CDSC figures – they say April (all of Wales figures) 621 notifications. Right? And in May, so far 33 notifications.
Then as for confirmed: in April, 216; May, 22 confirmed.
None of this seems to match with the figures from the sites mentioned in the above comments – am I looking at the correct columns?
Don’t know about adding and subtracting, but I do know that something’s afoot, and am totally grateful to CHS for their info.
My mom, fortunately, was a nurse and just put us to bed in a darkened room with a cloth over our eyes along with plenty of fluids and sympathy. Seems to me those were “the good old days” – and I’ve read the BMJ ’59 article – but now everything’s so twisted now no one knows how to deal with measles naturally. Viva Andrew Wakefield.
Well Ed its now 279 lab confirmed cases in Wales so far this year & the graph looks like a pretty good outbreak of measles to me
http://www2.nphs.wales.nhs.uk:8080/CommunitySurveillanceDocs.nsf/($All)/E26DD2EEC96007F180257B64005807A5/$File/monthly%20lab%202013May.pdf?OpenElement
Just wanted to say thanks to a friend for bringing me to this site. She was adamant that the media was lying and suggested I read this site to get the facts. 2 minutes worth of googling was enough to reveal that the ‘notification’ of measles is mandatory, and ‘lab testing’ was optional. 2 minutes it took me to find this out. There is *no* correlation between the figure for notifications and the figure for lab confirmed cases.
The hypocrisy of the author in stating that the media are lying, whilst TOTALLY misrepresenting the numbers is astounding. I pointed out this hypocrisy, along with the complete lack of an apology or correction from the author. She is upset that this site has lied to her and happily will not be reading again.
Come on dear readers. Use your noodles and do 2 minutes of basic research before believing ANY of the nonsense spouted on this site. Doctors by law have to notify the local authority of suspected measles. In years gone by this would have been reasonably rare due to inoculation, so would have been worth having a lab test to confirm. In the last few weeks when its clear there is an outbreak of this highly contagious disease, it is more important to start treatment immediately than to waste time having each suspected case sent for lab testing.
@ childhealthsafety
What is your source for,
“The average ratio of tested to notified over the past 18 years is 87%.” ?
Thanks
You flatter to deceive Ed, 1959 OK, that was the year 98 people died from measles in the UK, is that acceptable, 100-150 people dying every year pre-vaccination, do you want to go back to those days? So I guess from the lack of a coherent response that your headline claim of only 1 confirmed case out of 183 reported cases was a little premature & you do accept that there is indeed an outbreak of measles occurring in the South Wales area which just so happens to coincide with the coverage of the local paper that ran a virulent anti-MMR campaign post AW.
It happened in Quebec, it’s happened in Europe now it’s happened in Wales: measles outbreaks focused in the un-vaccinated population, evidence of the Welsh outbreak so far indicates 99% protection with 2 doses of MMR, as disclosed at Colindale last week. So a simple & polite question Ed do you accept that there is an outbreak of measles in South Wales?
Thanks @childhealthsafety.
The ‘#’ footnote on that table says that it’s possible for specimens to be sent in early, without being notified? If that is the case, AND it is also possible for notifications to be sent, but with no subsequent specimens, there are *serious* problems with the integrity/usefulness of this data. And the fact that the ‘#’ ‘phenomenon’ only happened when the tested/notified ratio was above 100%, smacks of “excusing some data but not other data.”
Combine this with journalists who know nothing about the limitations of statistics/data collecting or basic maths, and you’re left with most reports citing useless numbers, mainly cherry-picked to support whichever argument they want to advocate.
I don’t know why you are accusing me of ‘trolling’. All I tried to do is sensibly point out the limitations of the data. I gave no opinion on your inference of the data.
If you can’t discuss something without mocking people then it’s not very constructive/scientific, is it? Sadly, it only leads me to assume you don’t understand what I’m saying.
This measles issue is about mass hysteria because measles is a natural childhood disease and it’s something that is necessary to detoxify and develop, it comes and goes, and we should not fear a disease such as this. You say that there are 279 lab confirmed cases in Wales but these testing kits are very much flawed and no one can take these numbers seriously. 1959, the year 98 people died from measles in the UK, but these so-called measles cases would have been under a medical doctor who would probably have no understanding of childhood diseases, and so they would use suppression drugs to ‘get rid’ of the symptoms, and this in itself would kill some, if not all of these children, so when they say that this or that child died of measles, was that true, of was it poor measles management. Sadly, we never hear the full story. To understand a measles death, we need to know the intimacies of each individual case, the history of treatment etc. To look at a statistic is meaningless. 99% protection with 2 doses of MMR, I do not think so, this word ‘protection’ means that MMR interferes and suppresses symptoms, and this is not immunity. So MMR may equal no symptoms, but this may not be good news as we may want to believe, in fact, getting rid of symptoms may cause auto-immune disease and chronic illness, so let’s not celebrate MMR too quickly. ‘Vaccination is not immunity’ is an article written by Dr. Peter Lind on the Washington Times website. He concludes that vaccinations and antibiotics given to newborns and older children puts them at risk for debilitating long term neurological reactions. Long-term immunity is often impaired. We are experiencing this today the world over. The whole issue of vaccinations is deeply flawed and this is why we should all cease vaccination of children, adults and animals. We have been misguided and lied to for reasons of human greed and this is basically rotten science and rotten medicine and rotten thinking. The answer to measles is safe management – Dr Jayne Donegan and Trevor Gunn talk about these issues in the UK. A so-called outbreak of measles in South Wales is something that we need to understand and not to fear and wage war upon.
[…] De (vermeende!) mazelenepidemie in Wales houdt intussen de gemoederen flink bezig. De media schijnen echter niet op de hoogte te zijn van de gekleurde en aangedikte argumenten die de (farma)overheid gebruikt bij de dringende oproep om toch zo snel mogelijk die prik te halen, ‘want anders….!’ Nochtans worden ze van diverse kanten dagelijks gewezen op tegengeluiden. Het zou interessant zijn om te vernemen of een wakkere dokter of verpleegster eveneens toegang heeft tot de officiële gezondheidsstatistieken, die aantonen dat er de afgelopen maanden slechts sprake was van een miniem aantal geregistreerde mazelengevallen. Tijdens de periode van 1 januari tot 31 maart, werden er in heel Wales (3 milj. inwoners) amper 26 laboratorium bevestigde gevallen genoteerd! Lees verder : https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/2013-uk-fake-measles-epidemic/ […]
Dear Ed
Sorry but read on from the HPA stats that you reference, in the words of the game show host, You Said ” The current rate of mortality from measles is nil deaths in healthy children in over 76,000 cases since 1992:” But They (the HPA) said
” Prior to 2006, the last death from acute measles was in 1992.
All other measles deaths, since 1992, shown above are in older individuals and were caused by the late effects of measles. These infections were acquired during the 1980s or earlier, when epidemics of measles occurred.”
There were actually 21 deaths from measles in that period, & that’s the site you quote.
If you only want to count acute measles deaths then look at the recent European outbreak
“High numbers of measles cases in Europe which began in 2010 continued in 2011, with more than 30,000 cases in each of those years. Overall, with more than 30,000 cases of measles in Europe in 2011, 8 deaths, 27 cases of measles encephalitis, and 1,482 cases of pneumonia, most cases were in unvaccinated (82%) or incompletely vaccinated (13%) people.”
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/measles/a/measles-outbreak.htm
My point Ed? Very simple measles continues to kill people, at a rate of 1 to every 2000 odd cases & it is focused on the unvaccinated population as shown in Europe and now in wales, apologies Ed am I allowed 2 points?
Thought this may be useful addition to topic – ‘Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases & Toxins – Curing the Incurable’ Thomas E Levy, MD, JD.Chapter 2, Page 66. Claims Measles is curable and preventable.
I am unsure if we can ‘cure’ measles as such, but there is plenty information such as this on the whale.to website. Some children suffer measles badly and others less so and perhaps others with hardly any noticeable symptoms, so there are reasons why this happens. The medics cannot explain this because they see measles as a war on germs and so they have no language and understanding of the mechanisms involved. Perhaps high vitamin C or whatever has an effect on symptoms. Perhaps those children who suffer harsh symptoms are malnourished in some way, for example, bottle-fed, junk food etc. This would explain the death rate of children in third world countries, who we are told succumb to measles, but who actually die of malnutrition. John Wantling, Rochdale, UK
“Please note that samples taken from patients in Wales are not always submitted to laboratories in Wales for confirmation of the organism causing illness. This is particularly true for suspected cases of measles and mumps where the majority of samples are sent directly to the specialist reference laboratory in England for confirmation. Confirmations made by labs from outside of Wales will not appear on the CoSurv All Wales Surveillance of Laboratory-Confirmed Infections reports as these only include data submitted by or via Welsh laboratories. As a consequence, totals of laboratory-confirmed cases of some diseases in Wales (such as measles and mumps) maybe higher than those published in these monthly reports.”
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/page.cfm?orgid=457&pid=27920
[…] Here, Child Health Safety looks at the recent outbreak in Wales and makes a number of confident assertions that turn out to be untrue. It is claimed that measles has been “18,200% over-diagnosed” and “0.005 of notified measles cases were really measles” in March. There are similar claims made for other time periods, including the claim of 26 confirmed cases out of 446 in the first quarter of 2013. CHS boldly proclaims that “Now you can see the extent of the scam being run by public health officials in Wales, UK.” (There is another claim shortly after this: “You can rely on good old CHS because we let you check out the figures here all by yourself.”) Following this, links to NHS documents are posted by CHS. That’s right – the proof of the scam apparently comes from documents made available to the public by the alleged scammers themselves! I’m a little surprised that even CHS didn’t pause for thought at that point. […]
My point has nothing to do with notifiable diseases reporting so reference to this and suggestions of ‘slight differences’ can only be taken as a deflection tactic, or lack of understanding on your part CHS.
The paragraph I quoted is relevant to the All-Wales Surveillance Laboratory-Confirmed Infections, which is a central part of your conspiracy.
I’ll spell it out for you.
You’re original claim was that there were just 26 lab confirmed cases between Jan and Mar 13 using the Monthly All-Wales Laboratory-Confirmed Infections
Click to access monthly%20lab%20201303.pdf
and that this showed doctors were massively over-reporting and incompetent.
We now know that
“the majority of [lab confirmation] samples are sent directly to the specialist reference laboratory in England for confirmation. Confirmations made by labs from outside of Wales will not appear on the CoSurv All Wales Surveillance of Laboratory-Confirmed Infections reports”
Conclusion: The figures you used for laboratory confirmed cases excludes the majority of cases and are demonstrably wrong.
ED said: “And nowhere has CHS suggested there is any conspiracy”.
Actually that is exactly what you very explicitly suggest when you say “people are being scammed by health officials and the media” and claim there is a “scam being run by public health officials in Wales”. You are claiming deliberate deception by public health officials; a conspiracy to deceive.
The page which ED/CHS cites (http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/page.cfm?orgid=457&pid=27920) to claim that “figures used for laboratory confirmed cases includes the majority of cases and are demonstrably right” explicitly says, in bold text, that the figures cited here by ED/CHS exclude the majority of notified cases because it excludes samples which have been tested outside Wales and the majority of samples are sent to England for testing:
“Please note that samples taken from patients in Wales are not always submitted to laboratories in Wales for confirmation of the organism causing illness. This is particularly true for suspected cases of measles and mumps where the majority of samples are sent directly to the specialist reference laboratory in England for confirmation. Confirmations made by labs from outside of Wales will not appear on the CoSurv All Wales Surveillance of Laboratory-Confirmed Infections reports as these only include data submitted by or via Welsh laboratories. As a consequence, totals of laboratory-confirmed cases of some diseases in Wales (such as measles and mumps) maybe higher than those published in these monthly reports.”
I left it out for a very simple reason.
Because its in the section on NOIDs and it specifically applies to notifiable disease rates. In real terms all it says is that Statutory NOIDS reports of notifiable diseases doctors give the HPA are generally in agreement with the monthly CoSurv figures for notifications. Nothing more.
Both of these are about notifications, and have no bearing or relationship to the laboratory testing.
The point I made is specifically about lab tests and is the basis for some of your bigger claims. Would you care to respond to the points made, or is defection the response of choice of good ol’ reliable CHS?
From the article
“Now you can see the extent of the scam being run by public health officials in Wales, UK”
Sounds like a suggestion of conspiracy to me. I stand by that point.
ED/CHS is perfectly aware of but chooses to ignore a paragraph explicitly stating that the figures he’s using for laboratory confirmations exclude the majority of notified measles cases.
ED/CHS also says there is a scam being run by public health officials but says this isn’t claiming a conspiracy. Deliberate wrongdoing (such as a scam) being committed by a group (such as public health officials) is the very definition of a conspiracy.
I feel that when we cannot agree about the meaning of words clearly written in front of us then any further discussion is futile.
No, their assertion is that YOU have asserted that public health officials have engaged in a conspiracy to deceive the public. They are correct in their assertion, since you have clearly stated that you believe said public health officials are running a scam, or in other words, a conspiracy to deceive the public.
“ED’s REQUEST TO READERS: – … – people are being scammed by health officials and the media – (added: 5/May/2013)”
Is it really that difficult to understand?
CHS, you are correct to state that there is not a shred of evidence to support an allegation of conspiracy (which, despite your unconvincing denials, is what your original post implied). It would also be correct to state that there is not a shred of evidence of a ‘scam’ or of ‘whoppers’ being told, which is what was confidently stated by you in your original post.
I think you should retract your false claims and apologise to Public Health Wales for your smears.
CHS, I haven’t made any allegations – you have. You’ve explicitly stated that there has been a scam, you’ve explicitly stated that lies have been told, and the clear implication is that there has been a conspiracy to mislead the public. If you want to attempt to clarify your comments then that’s fine, but don’t pretend that others have made allegations.
I don’t think you need worry too much about whether you’ve implied there is a conspiracy or not (though I think it’s pretty clear that you have) when you’ve already explicitly made false allegations of a ‘scam’ and of ‘whoppers’ being told.
There was no scam, there were no whoppers. There was a misconstrual of some figures on your part and a failure to seek clarification on those figures.
You got it wrong. It’s a shame you won’t retract your false claims and apologise.
Apparently it is that difficult to understand, for you at least. I am NOT accusing officials of taking part in a conspiracy to scam the public, I am asserting that YOU have accused officials of taking part in a conspiracy to scam the public. If you really are incapable of comprehending the difference, I’m afraid there isn’t much hope.
You say it’s false that you have made allegations of lying. What do you think the word “whopper” means? https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/2013-uk-fake-measles-epidemic/#comment-121170
Oh look: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whopper
Do you have your own personal definition of whopper that you are using here? Perhaps you’d be good enough to tell us what your definition is.
No, what I am saying is that despite your claims there has been no scam and no conspiracy. I’m not sure why you want me to apologise to Public Health Wales for pointing out that they haven’t lied, perpetrated a scam, and engaged in a conspiracy to mislead the public.
Actually, Public Health Wales have shown in their reply to me that you have misconstrued the figures. If you have read my post you will have noted that you were wrong to claim only 26 notifications out of 446 had tested positive (those tested in English labs were not included in the figures for cases confirmed in Welsh labs) and wrong to claim that all notifications were tested (this was something you simply assumed had happened and PHW have now confirmed had not).
Now, this description does remind me of someone but it’s not me. Who could I be thinking of? Oh yes, it’s you Child Health Safety. It’s not uncommon for people to falsely accuse others of doing that which they themselves are guilty of. Especially when that person is a Wakefield supporter such as yourself or Martin Walker: http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2012/08/12/claims-of-unethical-skeptics-a-mirror-image-of-the-truth/ You were wrong about all notifications being tested, you failed to understand that not all lab-confirmed cases appeared in the figures you based your argument on and you refuse to admit your failings. As for making wild and false claims, have you read your own blog post and subsequent comments? Because you have made false and wild claims about a fake measles epidemic, whoppers, and a scam. All wild, all false, and all yours.
It seems to me that CHS is quite properly reporting a situation, not making specific allegations when it is not clear who is to blame for what. There is obviously a problem though if the data does not exist to support press reports and nothing is done by officials to contradict them.
Talking of whoppers, the South Wales Evening Post ran with this story yesterday; “CONFIRMED cases of measles in the Swansea area have risen to 1,074.”, even though the latest measles outbreak data from Public Health Wales shows there are 1080 suspected measles *notifications* in Swansea, Neath Port Talbot, Bridgend, Carmarthenshire, Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire and Powys.
And of course, the all Wales surveillance of laboratory *confirmed* measles infections for Swansea stands at 94, and 279 for the whole of Wales.
The South Wales Evening Post know very well there are nowhere near 1,074 confirmed cases of measles, not least because I have repeatedly pointed out to them that Public Health Wales clearly say; “Reported notifications of measles usually far exceed the actual numbers of confirmed cases. Other rashes are often mistaken for measles.”.
I have just spent an hour or so editing a Wikipedia article on the so-called, ‘2013 Swansea measles epidemic’, which used inaccurate media reports to claim there were 1,074 confirmed cases of measles in the Swansea area.
It’s a shame some of those criticising CHS aren’t as bothered by these exaggerated measles numbers as they are nitpicking over semantics here…
CHS
You have used the word ‘scam’ explicitly on this page;
scam
n : a fraudulent business scheme [syn: cozenage]
v : deprive of by deceit; “He swindled me out of my
inheritance”; “She defrauded the customers who trusted
her”; “the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little
change”
http://dictionary.die.net/scam
You said, “Now you can see the extent of the scam being run by public health officials in Wales, UK.”
How do public officials “run” a “scam” without conspiring or engaging in a conspiracy?
conspire
v 1: engage in plotting or enter into a conspiracy, swear
together; “They conspired to overthrow the government”
[syn: cabal, complot, conjure, machinate]
2: act in unison or agreement and in secret towards a deceitful
or illegal purpose; “The two companies conspired to cause
the value of the stock to fall” [syn: collude]
http://dictionary.die.net/conspire
conspiracy
n 1: a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an
unlawful act [syn: confederacy]
2: a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially
a political plot) [syn: cabal]
3: a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some
harmful or illegal purpose [syn: confederacy]
http://dictionary.die.net/conspiracy
I thank you for your time and expect a lucid and succinct explanation will be forthcoming.
PJL
It is not “nit-picking over semantics” when someone accuses public authorities of running a scam in defiance of the evidence. Instead we have CHS engaging in an hilarious display of casuistry.
ED
I’m sorry but your reply simply will not do. But I’m amused, so let’s carry on.
In your reply you told us who was being scammed, in your view “The public clearly appear to being scammed.” So, we must ask, by whom?
Originally you described “the scam being run by public health officials in Wales, UK.”
1. You say it is a “scam”
2. You say it is being “run”.
3. The people running it are “public health officials”. That is a plural. This plurality of people are, you claim, running a scam.
Please explain, clearly and concisely, how a scam is run by more than one person without there being a conspiracy. You will recall that a conspiracy is when people “act in unison or agreement and in secret towards a deceitful or illegal purpose”.
Please note that I am intrigued by what looks like a policy of holding comments in moderation until you have formulated your pat little replies.
I have no interest in your speculation about my identity. Suffice to say an invigilator invigilates. If you wish to reveal your real world identity then things might be different.
ED
It’s not “The definition”, it’s one of the definitions listed on that page. Perhaps reading exhausts you, but if you read a little further down the page to which jdc523 linked you will find;
whopper [ˈwɒpə]
n Informal
1. anything uncommonly large of its kind
2. a big lie
I think, when you use the phrase “telling whoppers”, a perfectly natural synonym for whopper in that context is ‘lie’. People who are merely mistaken do not tell whoppers. Liars tell whoppers. The inference that you claim Public Health Wales is lying is obvious and rational.
Why do you wish to quibble and obfuscate over the natural meaning of the words that you have used? Either apologise for using incautious language and withdraw the accusations, or show some cojones and stand up for what you have said. Of course, if you take the latter course you will need to address the evidence that you have been given that your presentation of the facts is in error. Perhaps when you wrote “0.005 of notified measles cases were really measles.” that was you telling whoppers, as you wish to define the word, and not lying. It’s so hard to tell.
ED
No, not at all. I’m sorry you found my chain of reasoning convoluted. I thought it was pretty simple. I hoped I’d made it quite clear that your accusations were equivalent to accusations of a conspiracy.
You accused public health officials of running a scam. Scams involve deceit. Running a scam with more than one person requires a conspiracy to deceive. That’s kinda it. Only three steps. None of them controversial or difficult to understand.
Really quite straightforward.
You seem to have created a problem for yourself. You are happy to accuse public officials of running a scam but for some reason cannot equate that to them conspiring to deceive. I have no idea why you think it would matter whether or not there was a sliver of daylight between those two formulations of the same idea.
If you think you’re being clever to avoid an accusation of libel being made against you by describing the statements themselves but apparently not the state of mind of the people making the statement, I think you’ll find that falsely accusing people of running a scam is libellous in itself. However, you are safe on two counts;
1. You have named no individuals.
2. No one in their right mind really cares what you think and would not bother to pursue you, which would only bolster your sense of grandeur.
No, indeed. You’re quite safe here in your echo chamber.
Anyway, off you go and think of a reply while this moulders in moderation for a while. It’s obviously important to you not to leave posts on view without your little ripostes appended to them.
The rabbit hole just gets deeper and this is getting hilarious. Now you wish us to accept that fabricating untruths involves no intention to deceive. Please explain how to fabricate untruth without intending to deceive.
If you can honestly look at yourself in the mirror and say those things with a straight-face then, fair enough, good on you, you are an absolute ninja of self-deception.
CHS, this is proving to be great fun. I wonder whether your supporters find your silly games with semantics to be as acutely embarrassing as they should. It does all rather go to the heart of your credibility. If you play fast and loose with the meanings of ordinary English words, at some stage even the densest jabbophobe might cease to regard you as an authority on even the simplest matters.
Look, CHS, this has been an absolute blast, but I have other things to do now so I’ll get back to you in a few hours. I hope you’ll have come up with something useful to say.
Ta ta for now.
No, one more thing. I can really only think of one reason why you are playing these games. Have you realised that you have been caught out libelling a public authority, but don’t want to admit it and retract, so instead you try to maintain it never happened, that the words you used don’t mean what the proverbial Clapham bus passenger would think they mean?
Other than actual insanity I can see no other explanation for your behaviour. Why not just act like a grown-up, admit where you got things wrong and make the corrections?
How do you run a scam unknowingly?
Is it a reflex thing like blushing? “Ooh, I went to work today and ran a scam for 8 hours and just didn’t know I was doing it.”
I think prison is full of a lot of fraudsters who would have loved that to be a secure defence. “Yes, m’lud, I ran a scam by accident. Nothing to do with me, guv.”
No, CHS, that just will not do. It’s dictionary corner time again. A scam involves conscious knowing effort.
scam n : a fraudulent business scheme [syn: cozenage] v : deprive of by deceit; “He swindled me out of my inheritance”; “She defrauded the customers who trusted her”; “the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change”
Sorry, you’ve been busted.
[…] De (vermeende!) mazelenepidemie in Wales houdt intussen de gemoederen flink bezig. De media schijnen echter niet op de hoogte te zijn van de gekleurde en aangedikte argumenten die de (farma)overheid gebruikt bij de dringende oproep om toch zo snel mogelijk die prik te halen, ‘want anders….!’ Nochtans worden ze van diverse kanten dagelijks gewezen op tegengeluiden. Het zou interessant zijn om te vernemen of een wakkere dokter of verpleegster eveneens toegang heeft tot de officiële gezondheidsstatistieken, die aantonen dat er de afgelopen maanden slechts sprake was van een miniem aantal geregistreerde mazelengevallen. Tijdens de periode van 1 januari tot 31 maart, werden er in heel Wales (3 milj. inwoners) amper 26 laboratorium bevestigde gevallen genoteerd! Lees verder : https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/2013-uk-fake-measles-epidemic/ […]
great report. Where can i find the same link to the lab and notification reports that are up tp date ie include the data from april?
ED/CHS says above that “Public Health Wales alleged excuse would mean 123% of notifications are tested.”
I do not understand where CHS gets this “123% of notifications are tested” rate from. I’d be grateful if someone could explain, showing the working and the source of the numbers used. Thanks.
Ah, I see what’s happened. Unfortunately it’s wrong both in terms of data and arithmetic.
As is explained here http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/page.cfm?orgid=457&pid=27920 confirmations made by labs from outside Wales (the majority, for measles) do not appear in the CoSurv All Wales Surveillance of Laboratory-Confirmed Infections.
However, the “1,170 cases [reported, and the] number of laboratory confirmed cases in the outbreak stands at 370 out of a total of 850 samples tested” figure from the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/02/measles-epidemic-swansea-teenagers-targeted-vaccinations is not using the CoSurv numbers. This means the numbers in the Guardian article might not exclude the samples tested in England. This means the “850 samples tested from 1170 cases” (73% of notifications tested) figure might well include testing which has been done in England.
The “123%” figure is arrived at by adding together numbers which have nothing to do with one another; “850 samples tested from 1170 cases” (73%), plus “majority” (51%) = 123% (actually 73+51=124 but hey).
You can’t add together percentages which relate to different things (“notifications tested” + “samples sent to England for testing”) and expect the answer to be meaningful.
CHS, I only back here to ask how you produced the “123% of notifications are tested” claim from. I thank you for explaining where you got it from, and I have explained how your data and arithmetic for it are both wrong.
I won’t be drawn into further discussion because, as stated previously, when we cannot agree about the meaning of words clearly written in front of us then any further discussion is futile.
Just to remark that the proposition that it is impossible for the authorities to keep track of saliva samples over geographic boundaries and that someone could not actually transfer the data back to Wales instantly if they cared to is preposterous beyond words. It is not exactly sending a message to the other end of the empire before the days of telecommunications – perhaps Elizabeth Miller’s messengers have been kidnapped on the way from Colindale to Cardiff?
Pluserix, whose proposition was that? I don’t recall anybody arguing that it was impossible for the authorities to keep track of samples. I thought the proposition was that not all the tested samples were included in the figures in the documents that CHS had based his claims on.
jdc was asked to answer the following elsewhere but has not so we post it here.
@Rob May 14, 2013 at 9:47 am
“I won’t be drawn into further discussion”
ChildHealthSafety, I would like to bring this news report to your attention. This is only a single report, but it clearly demonstrates the dangers of allowing measles vaccination rates to fall.
A 10 month old girl contacts measles before she can be vaccinated against it and 12 years later after a harrowing illness, she dies. It is anti-vaccination people like yourself that are complicit in such deaths. I think you should be ashamed of yourself.
As part of the so-called ‘global measles eradication’ plan, by the World Health Organisation, data from all member states is collected and monitored. It is therefore interesting to note figures up until 11 April 2013 show there have been 84 confirmed cases of measles for the whole of the UK.
Scroll down 3/4 of the page here to see: http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/diseases/measlesreportedcasesbycountry.pdf
Boo!!
Anybody who wished to do so could have easily found out that PHW’s figures did not include cases confirmed in English labs and that not all notifications were tested by simply emailing PHW, as I did.
I did so because the figures you presented seemed surprising. When a statistic looks odd, I might well question whether it is accurate. Your statistics (e.g. 1 in 183 notifications of measles actually being measles) looked odd, so I sought clarification.
I emailed PHW because the figures on your blog didn’t make sense to me. You didn’t bother to email them – presumably because you thought the figures did make sense. They fitted in with what you wanted to believe – that there wasn’t a worrying outbreak of measles in Wales and public health officials were making it all up. You wanted to believe that all notifications were tested, you wanted to believe that 99.5% of notifications of measles were not really measles and you wanted to believe that the outbreak in Wales wasn’t really happening.
You were wrong on all counts.
I knew they had claimed that their figures did not include notifications tested in English labs and that they had claimed that not all notifications had been tested because they made those claims in an email to me. At the time of posting my blog I was unaware that they had confirmed this elsewhere. I find it odd that you are concerned that I failed to mention something that I was not aware of.
No, I refuse to publish the full exchanges of correspondence (a) because I have already published the parts of the correspondence that I relied upon for my blog post and (b) because at present I don’t feel like indulging your demands. I have indulged you before when you demanded that I publish the full exchange of emails with Sue Reid. Which, funnily enough, I had already done in my original post. When I pointed this out, you then claimed (without any basis for doing so) that I hadn’t and demanded evidence that I had. I ended up posting once again the emails, this time including the headers and boilerplate disclaimers the Mail use. This wasn’t enough for you. You claimed that there were emails missing. So I posted a screenshot of my gmail inbox. That seemed to stop you from making false claims about missing emails. Funnily enough, that’s the only occasion that I can remember you changing your mind when presented with evidence. You didn’t admit that you were wrong to claim that there were missing emails or apologise for falsely accusing me of misleading people though.
You never do admit to your mistakes and you never offer apologies where they are due. You could prove me wrong by admitting that you made several claims in your post that turned out to be incorrect and apologising to PHW for your false accusations of a ‘scam’, ‘whoppers’ and a ‘fake epidemic’. I bet you won’t though.
If HPW’s 9th May claim is correct [that their figures do not include tests carried out in England of Welsh notifications] the one case in Swansea is likely to have been bolstered by one confirmation from an English laboratory – making two confirmed cases in March in Swansea when HPW’s figures for notifications were 181 cases in Swansea and on 26th March HPW claimed 432 cases in the whole of Wales.
It can be seen that less than half of confirmations come from England – as more recent figures issued by HPW show.
The number of tests from England can be seen from HPW’s 2nd May news release stating: “The number of laboratory confirmed cases in the outbreak stands at 370 out of a total of 850 samples tested.” … “Across the whole of Wales the total is 1,170.” as their latest report published 15th May shows 209 confirmed cases in April. So less than half the tests – 161 appear to have been carried out in England.
And as reported here, their figures to 31st March showed 8 confirmed cases to the end of March for all Wales – 1 in Swansea and two more in the Swansea area.
jdc
“You never do admit to your mistakes and you never offer apologies where they are due.”
jdc
CHS said it was one confirmed in 181 notifications and “Let’s wait for the figures for April”.
Having waited it turns out to be two confirmed in 181 notified and when Public Health Wales were claiming 432 cases in the whole of Wales.
Yawn.
None of what you have posted in this thread supports the claims you made that I criticised in my post.
Try again, CHS.