UK Guardian Newspaper Caught Falsifying the Historical Record of Vaccine-Caused-Autism

In a first for journalism, the UK’s Guardian national daily newspaper has been caught falsifying their own newspaper’s public record in a bid to airbrush the facts about vaccine-caused-autism.  Whilst some other media outlets have adopted the approach of ignoring the evidence and writing and broadcasting one-sided reports, this time The Guardian newspaper has been caught changing it.  The Guardian removed the evidence – gone without a trace – from their online newspaper.

Like many other papers, The Guardian allows readers to post comments on articles published in their online version.  On Saturday 6 August 2011 the paper published a commentary by Tracy McVeigh “Research linking autism to internet use is criticised“.  This was about a public row over claims by Lady Susan Greenfield that there is a link between the increase in autism and the increase in the use of the internet.  Greenfield is a medical academic and researcher on brain physiology, particularly on Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s diseases.

Inevitably this attracted debate between commenters about the causes of autistic conditions.

The surprising part is what The Guardian did in response to postings of clear evidence of an admitted link between vaccines and autistic conditions.  They obliterated the posts as if they had never been made on their newspaper’s site.  There is no trace of the posts to be found.  They are just gone, barring a trace for one of them only – the first to be removed.  There was no justification for this and none has so far been provided despite having been requested.  The posts met the “Community Standards” whereas in contrast offensive comments from anti-vaccine safety campaigners are not removed.

The importance of this of course is that it underlines the points that:-

  • news media are intentionally covering up the public disaster where 1 in 64 British children [1 in 40 being British boys] have an autistic condition and 1 in 100 US children do also;
  • when they should instead report such a terrible thing fairly and campaign to do something about stopping this happening;
  • the evidence presented is so strong that a UK national newspaper cannot answer it and airbrushes it from its online pages.

What happened was that in response to numerous comments claiming vaccines are not implicated in causing autistic conditions CHS intervened.  CHS posted publicly made quotes and links to evidence confirming numerous US government agencies and officials have confirmed vaccines do cause autistic conditions.  These include:

  • Merck’s current Director of Vaccines Julie Gerberding when she was Director of the US Centers for Disease Control;
  • the US Health Resources Services Administration;
  • the US Federal Court;
  • the US Secretary of State for Health and Human Services.

The evidence and posts appear below in full.  These include posts noting the financial ties between the Guardian newspaper and medical publishers with undeclared substantial conflicting financial and business interests in the pharmaceutical industry.

In all four posts were removed.  Three without trace and one was removed with the incorrect claim left in its place that “This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards.

If you want to make a difference then do something and write to the Guardian “Readers’ Editor” Nigel Willmott ( and ask him to tell you what The Guardian and its Board have to say about this and what they think their journalists should do if they caught another newspaper or broadcaster rewriting and publishing an adulterated history or engaging in misconduct.




8 August 2011 7:46AM

Here is a public opportunity to see The Guardian’s censorship of facts and evidence in action. The following facts are publicly documented yet The Guardian’s Comment is Free [LOL] censors removed it in its entiretly to airbrush the unpalatable facts from their agenda journalism. There was and could be no contravention of any Guardian “Community Standards” [well not official ones that is – only the ones that say the Guardian only publishes facts which fit its political agenda journalism and removes all others.

Tracey McVeigh’s article on Lady Susan Greenfield’s public unscientific comments about the causes of autistic conditions has provoked comment about the causes of autistic conditions.

In response to various comments we posted quotes from numerous US government officials and agencies with links to original sources on what causes autistic conditions. The Guardian censors removed the posting. There is no conspiracy theory here – only documented fact – and The Guardian does this kind of thing repeatedly.

This posting was made 7 August 2011 11:14AM and you can check out above that it was removed.

Floost 7 August 2011 9:49AM

I think arec pretty much nailed it ….. given ageofautism’s dangerous views on vaccination, I think you got off lightly.

So how about the views of 1) Merck’s current Director of Vaccines Julie Gerberding when she was Director of the US Centers for Disease Control 2) the US Health Resources Services Administration 3) the US Federal Court? 4) the US Secretary of State for Health and Human Services?

All have confirmed autistic conditions can be caused by vaccines.


“.. if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.

CNN – HOUSE CALL WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA Unraveling the Mystery of Autism; Talking With the CDC Director; Stories of Children with Autism; Aging with Autism Aired March 29, 2008 08:30 ET


[when confirming of the 1322 cases of vaccine injury compensation settled out of court by the US Government in secret settlements]:-

We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.

US HRSA to reporter Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News 5th May 2008

[PDD is the US term under DSM IV for ASD – Autistic Spectrum Disorder]:

“…… Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. …… Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.

[Banks v. HHS (Case 02-0738V, 2007 U.S. Claims LEXIS 254, July 20, 2007).


The Department for Health and Human Services conceded the Hannah Poling case – that Hannah’s autistic condition was caused by 9 vaccines [ie. not just the MMR] administered in one day. Last year the US Federal Court determined a settlement which reportedly amounts to US $ 20 million over Hannah Poling’s lifetime:

Court Awards Over $20 Million for Vaccine-Caused Autism PR Newswire (press release) – Sep 15, 2010

Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award CBS News September 9, 2010

“Settlement reached in autism-vaccine case” September 10, 2010 By Carrie Teegardin The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.



8 August 2011 9:20AM

In our post above noting direct censorship of public facts by The Guardian perhaps we should have added “Follow the Money”.

Guardian partners with British Medical Journal Group for online first Tuesday 3 March 2009 00.00 GMT

“Derrick Malone, Guardian Product Manager said: “People naturally turn to the Internet when researching health issues and we were keen to provide our users with factual information they could trust to complement our extensive features on health issues. The pages were developed entirely in house by the GNM technology team in collaboration with BMJ Group.”

Rachel Armitage, Director, BMJ Evidence Centre said: “We’re pleased to partner with the Guardian and bring our knowledge to a wider audience. The information is based on our ‘Clinical Evidence’ product, which provides doctors with access to the very latest and most relevant medical knowledge and is used to make treatment decisions.”

The Editor in Chief of the British Medical Journal was forced to make an embarrassing correction regarding the BMJ’s own failures to disclose its conflicting financial interests in the drug industry.

Here is the correction forced ultimately by online criticism from New York charity The Alliance for Human Research Protection:-

“The BMJ should have declared competing interests in relation to this editorial by Fiona Godlee and colleagues (BMJ 2011;342:c7452, doi:10.1136/bmj.c7452). The BMJ Group receives advertising and sponsorship revenue from vaccine manufacturers, and specifically from Merck and GSK, which both manufacture MMR vaccines. For further information see the rapid response from Godlee ( The same omission also affected two related Editor’s Choice articles (BMJ 2011;342:d22 and BMJ 2011;342:d378).

However, this also still fails to mention the most glaring conflict of all, which it all – BMJ’s business partnership with Merck through their information arm, Univadis (‘MSD signs partnership with BMJ group’).



9 August 2011 8:45AM

Artros @ 8 August 2011 9:32PM

Between the Internet, vaccines and dental amalgams, I think I’ve seen it all. Come on, man, vaccines? That’s like saying “influenza causes autism.”

Comments like this have been answered with quotes posted by us [with links to original publicly documented sources] but The Guardian removed them twice despite being in accordance with “Community Standards”. The second time there is no trace whatsoever of the original posting – The Guardian’s Comment is Free [LOL] removed it in its entiretly. This is an example of a national news media outlet using censorship to rewrite history and airbrushing facts from the record which directly contradict their strongly held personal beliefs.

The quotes were from 1) Merck’s current Director of Vaccines Julie Gerberding when she was Director of the US Centers for Disease Control 2) the US Health Resources Services Administration 3) the US Federal Court? 4) the US Secretary of State for Health and Human Services? All have confirmed autistic conditions can be caused by vaccines.

The second posting [8 August 2011 7:46AM] was removed with no trace of it ever having existed, whereas the position of the first posting can still be seen [7 August 2011 11:14AM].

We also added a posting [8 August 2011 9:20AM] with links to original sources showing the commercial and financial partnerships deals between The Guardian and The British Medical Journal and The British Medical Journal and the drug industry. That posting was removed without trace – no footprints, no traces, just gone.

So two of the three comments are gone and one has the following claiming without any truth that:

“This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards.”

Frankly, normal sensible intelligent people may find such behaviour of The Guardian a little troubling.

If these comments were removed without trace, how much of what The Guardian publishes online is a moving target – being removed, deleted, altered and/or added to in order to write history according to what the Guardian wants it to be instead of what it is? Very Pravda.

And “Community Standards”? Please, no laughter at the back of class:-

10. The platform is ours, but the conversation belongs to everybody. We want this to be a welcoming space for intelligent discussion, and we expect participants to help us achieve this by notifying us of potential problems and helping each other to keep conversations inviting and appropriate. If you spot something problematic in community interaction areas, please report it. When we all take responsibility for maintaining an appropriate and constructive environment, the debate itself is improved and everyone benefits.

In short:

– If you act with maturity and consideration for other users, you should have no problems.

British journalism at its finest and no Rupert Murdoch to blame it on.

26 Responses

  1. I posted on the Guardian but due to past postings being blocked they seem to have my Internet I.P. …Seen to be doing all for everyone but infact supporting Pharma share price…

    Thanks CHS

  2. The Guardian’s censorship is far from limited to the medical. Try posting anything that factually exposes the ugly truth about the “religion of peace” (e.g. actual quotes from their “holy” books) and it will disappear faster than you can reload the page.
    I can confirm that that total disappearance occurred on this occasion because I noticed that a comment of my own was at first at top of second page (ie the 51st) but later became the last of the first page (ie the 50th).

    There’s a limit to what we can do about this. From having twenty letters published in the G I learnt what gets blocked out, namely the best most powerful letters rather than just the drivel. They would publish only the weak drivel challenges so that people were fooled into thinking that was all there was by way of challenges. The media has for many years been driven by where the biggest money comes from, especially the advert income. This used to be cars and airtravel and so these were sacred unchallengeable cows. But now a bigger source is the OPEC-funded supporters of the “religion of peace”, and so that has become the new sacred cow, even in the face of the massive rejection revealed by the ‘recommends’ counts of hostile comments.

    Meanwhile this (huh) “guardian” is also the residence of Ben Goldacre, Pharma acolyte, and no way are they going to allow any challenge to that profitspinning agenda either.

    [ED: Minor edit.]

  3. But by the way, I should point out a major disagreement I have with your view about vaccines (and I know we aren’t likely to come to agree over this, but it should be footnoted to my previous for avoidance of misunderstanding)….
    I like you am not a supporter of vaccinations, especially as for instance the mumps component of mmr criminally converts a minor childhood risk into a severe adult one and makes necessary a lifetime of “boosters”. Mumps vax was for decades officially disrecommended for this reason, but then of course as the system became more corrupt, profits became more important than actually keeping people healthy.
    And I like you do not believe the Paul Offit line that vaccines have been shown NOT to cause autism.
    HOWEVER!…. I see no evidence that vaccinations have caused autism. As explained partly at
    I am disappointed to see this concept of “vaccine-caused-autism” being endlessly repeated as clear fact by the faithful. An example of what I do not consider to be scientific evidence is exactly the things you were quoting there. Statements by bureaucrats or legal judgments are not scientific proof of anything medical. They may sometimes feature sound scientific analyses and conclusions, but that’s a different matter.

    [ED: All of the US Government officials, agencies and the Federal Court quoted were acting and making statements on the basis of scientific and medical evidence of experts advising the US government agencies and officials. So aside from being admissions against interest – a strong form of evidence – they also reveal a conventional medical and scientific body of opinion that vaccines cause autistic conditions.

    The Guardian clearly has no answer to this and rather than leave the information available for readers and commenters to make their own minds up they falsified the record by removing CHS’ posts. These were posts made and which appeared online and were then removed without trace.]

  4. Angus, in my experience (like numerous others) of having numerous accounts closed down on the so-called “comment is free”, they don’t block in terms of ip but by email address instead. Try making a new account using a different email, though at the end of the day these crooks don’t deserve to have our words put on their filthy deceitful pages for them to pick out abusively.

  5. To Ed: your minor edit of 8.45 appreciated (regretfully of course).

  6. Thanks Robinp.

    At one time I used to be bothered if I never got a post on or if it were taken down..after 7 years of this I tend to agree with the view that mostly all the real evidence postings are removed ….of course nothing to do with Ben earning a crust…onward we go

  7. It explains why my emails to the Editor of the Guardian and to Monkey Guardian about various vaccine scandals, are never even acknowledged.
    I thought naively that since they were happy to do a Brutus on the News of the World, there was just a possibility they would expose the whole vaccine racket.
    Dr Kalokerinos the Australian doctor, given the title of “The Greek Australian of the 20th Century” for his work with Aboriginal children, whose death rates plummeted when he took them off vaccines and treated them with IV Vitamin C, is quoted as saying that when he looked into vaccines in detail he soon realised the whole thing was a gigantic hoax.[See quotes on Whale}
    Dr Viera Scheibner the vaccine research expert in a letter to me,.says the same,

  8. Actually, this kind of thing happens all the time. I’ve had vaccine damage and pro Wakefield comments ‘pulled’ from several newspapers and the BMJ. Quite honestly, most people just don’t take the time to read 300+ comments unless they are personally involved anyway. In that respect, the CHS removed comments were already ‘preaching to the converted’.
    I WAS pleased to see that 2 sensible comments from Ann Dachel and John Stone were prominent on the first page. The comments by Arec Balrin were all along the same lines as this one: below-

    “The thread has already been invaded by crank conspiracy theorists and thus any hope of intelligent discussion has dissolved.”

    I’m sure most sensible members of the public will see this kind of rhetoric as the paid pro pharma propaganda it is

  9. People should have the right to read the truth .Why should the Press control what is in the papers to with the only agenda known to suit the profitability of the shares in the company…We deserve the right to read about Murdoch what’s happened?We need to know and others need to know as parents what happens when you have pink`s disease, and you have a mercury containing vaccine…

    Then again we the informed don`t do much for the stock exchange GSK rallied today up 18 pence £1243.50 per share …that must be on the back of some deal to Africa spreading malaria, or polio, or have they just brought out an anti-riot vaccine .

  10. Try using google sidewiki to post your comments on that page. Encourage other’s to use google sidewiki in order to post comments which are being removed by the moderator. You can also use google sidewiki to post comments about any other page on the internet that you feel needs clarification.

  11. The Guardian is, of course, the paper leading the campaign against drug-free medicine, and particularly homeopathy. The paper has clearly been in the pockets of Big Pharma for several years now. It used to be my newspaper. But their support of people, so-called journalists, like Ben Goldacre, has meant that I have stopped reading this paper long ago. I know many other liberally-minded people have done the same – not least CAM practitioners.

  12. HI
    They also censor heavily any mention of radiation damage from mobile phone masts although they rarely write on the subject at all as they consider it to be ‘below the radar’ at present
    There is also evidence that radiation exposure contributes to autism as well as vaccines.
    The Guardian work closely with those at the Science Media Centre, as do the BBC mainstream news, The Times, and The Independent. They often print its press releases verbatum.
    Look at the sponsors of the Science Media Centre and all becomes clear.

  13. Yes, it’s disgraceful how such a proud, liberal newspaper has sold its soul to Big Corp….

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  15. In reply to Angus Files post today, the Glaxo—GSK price is 1243 cents not £1243 !! They wish !!

  16. I had hoped the way to publicise the vaccination scandal might be via the Church. I assumed they were caring people, so I wrote to the Reverend xxxxxxxxx of xxxxxxxxxx, in xxxxxxx where my Family’s remains lie .
    After an exchange of about 10 emails each during which he never addressed the concerns I have about children being severely harmed by vaccines which show no proof of giving any protectio, he ended by calling me “a complete and utter sad pillock”, and “you are a mentally sick man”, “go and get some medical help”.
    I kept my cool and politely suggested he referred my comments to his wife, or any other person whose judgement he trusted
    3 days later he had obviously taken my advice, He replied :
    “Of course that is not to say you were wrong or not correct in what you were saying””, but there was no apology or suggestion he would publicise all the pros and cons of vaccination in his Parish, for the benefit of newly marrieds.I never said vaccinations should be avoided. Only that Parents were entitled by Law to be given ALL the facts, which is clearly not the case at present.

    I then emailed the Diocese of Chichester, addressing 3 different persons. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx to the Diocese,. another Priest, and the person in charge of the Department dealing with xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
    None has even replied.
    Now I have emailed the Bishop of Chichester at his House of Lords address, giving him sufficient details of the evidence of damage caused, and proof that vaccines provide no protection.So far no response.
    The Church has about £12 billion of assets, much of it invested in the Stock Market. If you consult the ECCR publication on investment strategies it will be seen that their remit is maximum return, but avoiding investments in sex, tobacco and alcohol. Since Pharmas have provided one of the highest capital returns in the past 50 years, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

    Many doctors now conclude that 50% of all lifetime cancers originate from childhood vaccinations weakening the Immune System. Another doctor stated in 200 cases of cancer, he had never seen ONE case in an UNVACCINATED child.

    So much for the morality of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

    [ED: Edited for anonymity.]


  17. John well done at least they can`t say they never knew..

    The church as you know these days is run by accountants and treat the ministers abysmally …, for an example look into housing loans for ministers (church of England and it`s worse for the Anglican)..

    Sad to say an accountant too many wheeling and dealing on behalf of the church have had, no calling from God ..just the Pharma evil of the stock market price..

    Follow the money and find the crime and thats the failing of all the church faiths these days so far as I can see.

    [ED: Minor Edit]

  18. For the attention of xxxxxxxxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
    At the foot of my Post, you will see reference to the lack of morals of the xxxxxxxxx Church,
    in the matter of failing to publicise the dangers and harm being done to small children.
    I apologise for confusing the xxxxxxxxxxxxx Church with xxxxxxxx Church, but realise there is a strong inter-relationship. The Bishop of xxxxxxxxxx refers to himself as an xxxxxxxxxxxx.
    How is the lay person meant to fathom these nuances?

    The Reverend xxxxxxxxxxxxx is a Church xxxxxxxxxxx Priest.

    I await details of the action being taken by xxxxxxxxxxx Church, as a whole, in its fight against child-harm caused by Vaccines.
    If there is no such Agenda, will the Church confirm or deny that it invests in Pharmaceutical Companies,
    and that is why it turns its back on exposing this outrage?

    If your Church needs a wake-up call, I suggest you consult The Child Health Safety website.
    Having then read the truth about vaccines, and the harm and inefficacy of these toxic poisons, in totally failing to produce any protection against any of the childhood diseases,see if you can continue to ignore this crime and still call yourselves Christians ?

    I am submitting this email to Child Health Safety for posting, to clarify my reference to xxxxxxxxx Church..
    I am sure CHS will welcome your response on their Forum..
    If it is not forthcoming, readers may come to their own conclusions.

    Your Bible tells you, you cannot serve two Masters.
    Your Church chooses evidently to serve mammon, like the xxxxxxxxxx Church, not the interests and protection of small children.

    “Suffer [allow] little children to come unto me” if they want to contract Cancer, Autism, Asthma, Guillain Barre paralysis, Polio, any of the childhood diseases, or severe brain damage, from the Doctor’s needle, for no benefit except that of the Doctor, the Government, and the Pharmas.

    Lu 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

    I take “offend ” in this context to mean “harm”,

    The xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Church has assets of xxxxxxxxx billion, much of it garnered in the past 1000 years xxxxxxxxx, additionally the 10% Tithe levied even on the poorest serfs, for most of this time, and beforehand, whilst many of the Bishops Monks and Priests lived in luxury, and debauchery.
    The Church paid no taxes on the land “acquired”. unlike the poor subsistence farmers, trying to feed their family.

    To quote the present Bishop of xxxxxxxxxxxxx ……………. ” For nearly 1500 years we have tried to tell and show the people of xxxxxxx that God loves them and wants the best for their lives, not just now, but for ever.”
    I am sure God loves them, but the evidence suggests that all the Church has done is to milk them. The Church I am sure wants the best for them, after it had extracted its 10% pa, for the better part of 1500 years, giving little or nothing in return.

    Mercutio’s quote on his death-bed might be appropriate. “A plague on both your Houses” sometimes quoted as “a Pox on both your Houses.” often referring to those whose rivalry brings ruin to others. [Catholics v Protestants etc].

    But then the Priest thinks I am “a complete and utter sad pillock”, and ” a mentally sick man”, so who cares?
    To clarify, I am no longer a Christian, thank God.

    John Ivens.

    [ED: Edited for anonymity]

  19. Sorry John I meant to write Episcopalian not Anglican.As you know before I confused the situation(not on purpose) Anglicism is the exact same in England as in Scotland.

    The above posts very interesting points


  20. Update on my spat with the Reverend xxxxxxxxxx. I copied my Posts here to him in which he was mentioned, as a matter of courtesy. He responded by saying he was reporting me to the Police !! is this Priest so ignorant that he thinks the Police have any interest in our discussion on the pros and cons of Vaccination? I told him i welcomed his decision and awaited any contact with the Officer he had contacted.
    The information I have provided him with over the past 3 months, was similar to these Links, mostly from the Whale site, although I have quoted CHS to him and other departments of the Diocese of xxxxxxxxxxxx many times.
    This from an email today to the Bishop of xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
    I am not holding my breath !!

    [2010 June] The Marvellous Health of Unvaccinated Children by Françoise Berthoud, MD [medical doctor, paediatrician] As a concerned, compassionate and considerate paediatrician, I can only arrive at one conclusion. Unvaccinated children have by far the best chance of enjoying marvellous health. Any vaccination at all works to cripple the chances of this end.


    “The entire vaccine program is based on massive fraud.” — Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

    Dr Kalokerinos was named as The Greek Australian of the 20th Century:

    “it forced me to look into the question of vaccination further, and the further I looked the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed “a gigantic hoax.”


    Nobody needs to be confused but EVERYBODY better be darn well frightened about taking ANY vaccine, under ANY circumstance, for ANY reason, at ANY time in their life.”–Dr Duffy DC

    Kalokerinos: My final conclusion after forty years or more in this business is that the unofficial policy of the World Health Organisation and the unofficial policy of ‘Save the Children’s Fund and almost all those organisations is one of murder and genocide. They want to make it appear as if they are saving these kids, but in actual fact they don’t.
    “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway.”——Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA =====================

    Doctors may use scientific instruments but that doesn’t make them scientists any more than a witch doctor would become a scientist if he wore a stethoscope and danced around a microscope!”—-Dr Vernon Coleman

    “Now, if doctors were aware that medicine was not a science and that they were pulling what is undoubtedly the largest and most successful confidence trick ever tried, the damage would be fairly minimal. But the problem is compounded by the fact that the vast majority of doctors believe the lie that they are taught; they believe that they are scientists, practising an applied science.”—-Dr Vernon Coleman

    Author: Contributors: ANDREA ROCK Date/Issue: DECEMBER 1996 VOL. 25 NO. 12 Word Count: 4521 Section: SPECIAL REPORT/YOUR HEALTH




    John Ivens

    The last word from your esteemed Vicar of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    “no one is listening to you because you are nothing more than an irrational ill person”

    Nice people you employ to spread the Christian way of life.

    [ED: Edited for anonymity]

  21. Probably the vicar has a host of conflicts .The problem with vicars I have found is that if you have Dr or any professional title they take it at face value and rarely question the professionalism of the profession ..a word that lacks meaning these days.Your MP might be a better contact (what does that say about the church?) no end to the dilemma

  22. Also was going to add that there are some truly good priests about but they have, usually, spent their lives working for deprived people and children and very seldom rise high in the church stratum. Many of the clergy of all denominations with whom I have had any dealings who are in elevated positions are conscious of money and allow themselves, manytimes, to be ruled by wealthy people – or to put it another way, if a wealthy person dominates a congregation he/she will call the shots unless you have a tough priest or the priest has a tough wife -and standfast sorting the problems out.Probably his congregation is dominated by pharma interest`s such as Dr`s et-al looking for forgiveness for vaccinating all the kids..

  23. Angus, I assure you I have canvassed many MPs including those local to my home town in the UK which i am no longer permitted to mention. They don’t even acknowledge. Not even the Green ones.
    I don’t believe Doctors are looking for forgiveness for vaccinating children.
    They swore an Oath “First, do no harm” Virtually every Doctor in the UK has dishonoured that Oath,so they are not people of conscience
    .No priest can dish out forgiveness, as in the Catholic Church.[for money] Forgiveness will only come from every person they have harmed , when they reach the next world.
    That is the Law.
    God does not forgive. It is between you and anyone you have harmed in life.
    “As you sow, so shall you reap”
    There are good people everywhere. They don’t have to have a dog collar to be identified.
    If your account about congregations is correct, as it may well be, then that surely shows the hypocrisy and weakness of the Church.

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