Dr Ben Goldacre’s Internet Bullies Given OK To Launch Attacks On Their Own Blogs – And Told To Shut Up On His BadScience Forum

Here you can watch in real time as some of Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Internet forum members agree together to engage across the internet in what will likely be their usual formula of personal abuse, disparagement, harassment and defamation.

They have been told to shut up on Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum about this CHS article posted three days ago:

Patient Committed Suicide After His Doctor Was Hounded By Dr Ben Goldacre’s Badscience Forum Internet Bullies

So having been told to shut up on Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum, they are being told it is OK to go onto their own blogs where they will no doubt engage in Google bombing the internet about this.

Here you can see it being discussed on Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience forum, [subject of course to postings being deleted or posting terminated once this CHS article is posted]:

Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum Comment Thread: ”Patient Commits Suicide After His Doctor Hounded By..”

The CHS article above is about just one suicide linked to the internet activities of some of the members of Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum.  It is not the only suicide of an individual subjected to years of relentless internet attacks by some of Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum members.

The article exposes what Dr Ben Goldacre has been allowing on his BadScience internet forum for years – very serious organised orchestrated internet bullying, abuse, disparagement, harassment and defamation on an internet wide scale against individuals who have differing perspectives from his members and associates.

Additionally, it is clear from this and other evidence that Dr Ben Goldacre is allowing his BadScience forum to be used in this manner.  He has had previous warnings which are documented.

Harassment whether on the internet or elsewhere is apparently illegal and can attract stiff penalties following laws introduced to the UK to counter serious problems of stalking and harassment of celebrities and private individuals.  And this clearly has the look of the usual orchestrated harassment by agreement which under wholly separate legal provisions CHS understands can also be unlawful and attract stiff penalties.

Or should Dr Goldacre be exempt from acting responsibly or above the law?

The BadScience Forum webpage linked to above keeps changing and some comments have been removed already and some are still being added.

In case of further deletions here is an exchange showing they have been told to shut up:

Post#9 by sTeamTraen » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:46 pm

jdc wrote:

soveda wrote:Moderator note:
Please be very careful in discussing this not to stray into anything that will be problematic, thank you.

Further to this: I was a bit worried we hadn’t been quite careful enough, so I’ve quarantined a couple of posts. I might be being overcautious. I’ll ask the other mods to take a look at teh quarantined posts.

Soz.

I apologise for inadvertently posting about this. I didn’t realise what was going on (but I have since received PMs from three people explaining the situation).

And here is why they are being told to shut up on Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum:

Post#19 by teacake » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:34 pm

andysnat wrote:It has nothing to do with legal, and plenty to do with keeping the forum.Thanks.

This. Anybody feel free to PM me for discussion of the background to this situation.

Here is a post encouraging Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum members to blog about these matters on their own blogs across the internet instead of on Dr Goldacre’s BadScience forum:

Post#14 by duck » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:25 pm

As ever, we thoroughly encourage people to write about this on their own blogs.

And another here:

Post#16 by ThermalTurnip » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:46 pm

Backstep wrote:Dear mods, I love you all dearly, but hows about you don’t encourage us to p.ssy foot around this topic? As long as comments are legal is there any thing else we need to take into account?

Seconded.

And here:

Post#17 by teacake » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:04 pm

Backstep wrote:As long as comments are legal is there any thing else we need to take into account?

Yes, there is. The last time this came up it was almost the end of this forum. Personally, I like it here, and I don’t want it to become more trouble to the curly-haired one than it’s worth.

I think we should take the advice previously given, and repeated by duck, that if we want to address the issues raised we should take it to our own blogs.

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  1. Note extracts fro my submission about Goldacre (and SMC) to the Leveson Inquiry:

    “Ben Goldacre repeatedly ducked answering questions about the shortcomings of the epidemiology of the safety of MMR both in his Guardian blog and in British Medical Journal over an extended period [1,8]. Typically he would engage in ad hominem attacks against his critics on the issue (never mentioned by name) but not answering their specific questions. For a long time his website carried the intimidatory message “…personal anecdotes about your MMR tragedy will be deleted for your own safety” [9] and he has an on-line shop which sells novelty merchandise declaring the safety of MMR, including at various times t-shirts, thongs, mugs and baby-bibs, as well as characteristically abusive items about nutritionists and homeopaths [10]. Another problem was that though Goldacre styled himself as a junior doctor he was coy about which institutions he was affiliated to, which at one point included the Institute of Psychiatry [11]. This not only disguised potential conflicts over MMR because of the Institute’s relations with pharmaceutical manufacturers, but also mobile phone radiation. At one point Goldacre was involved in making a personalised attack on a fellow journalist Julia Stephenson while not disclosing that his institution included the industry funded Mobile Phones Research Unit [11]. Of course, if you personally attack those people who may have suffered ill effects from the products you are defending this is taking the debate to somewhere else than science (and perhaps to somewhere not very pleasant)…

    “Another episode illustrating the manipulation of opinion over MMR occurred in 2009 when complainers mobbed the website of LBC radio [25] after journalist Jeni Barnett had attacked the MMR lobby on the air, causing her broadcast to be removed from the web. While Barnett’s broadcast was not scientifically speaking particularly well-informed the incident proved her point about the way in which open discussion was being deliberately closed down, and people were being strong armed into silence. Following this incident Goldacre lobbied Parliament and an Early Day Motion censuring Barnett for expressing an opinion was signed by approximately 130 MPs: the lead signatory was Liberal-Democrat health spokesman, Norman Lamb, and the second signatory Dr Evan Harris [25, 26]. Many politicians with “liberal” credentials seem to have lost sight of the fact that allowing people to express opinions you disagree with – even in the mainstream media – is part and parcel of living in “a liberal democracy”. There is also obviously a new style of journalism in which mainstream media journalists may also be involved in web-wars.”

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/12/leveson-inquiry-submission.html

  2. I’m not sure it’s fair to point a finger at Goldacre specifically on this–it was because of that Jones thread on Myhill that he basically removed the forum from his website.

    The hundreds-of-pages-long thread that was, um, ‘lost.’

    I think it’s fair to give Jones the benefit of the doubt that he raised his complaint, and started this thread, nearly 4 years ago, in good faith. He saw something he thought was wrong, and tried to do something about it, going through proper channels. Then he started a thread about it with a pseudonym, and it turned into an outlet for people to act like the worst of childish bullies.

    It got so bad that someone weighed in with something so incredibly vile that it wasn’t even noticed, such was the tone of the thread. Even so, after the fact, it stood out, and some time afterward, perhaps a year, somebody was reading through the thread, and noticed it. And there it was, an incredibly rude reference to sexual assault that, it was suggested, Dr. Myhill should for some reason be subject to.

    When this was brought to the attention of the mods, they were of course shocked. Why nobody noticed before…well, in context, again, it didn’t really even stand out, such was the nature of the thread. The person who’d put up the offending post was characterized as something of a stranger, a ‘drive-by,’ even, who had gone so far over the top that he or she certainly couldn’t be seen as being representative of the forum.

    There was some tut-tutting over what should happen to this thread. The post was so far over the top…yet nobody seemed concerned why it hadn’t been noticed as such by anyone reading the thread at the time. Of course, the only people doing that were likely limited to those participating, or a few observers who didn’t see anything wrong with the thread outside of the one horrible, offensive post.

    And then the thread was ‘lost.’ Never to be seen again. So, of course, I can’t prove any of this, though I did see the thread just prior to quarantine and deletion.

    Is there any doubt that it was one of these people who recoiled in horror at the thought that the already-sanctioned Myhill was participating in midwifery, and called in the authorities, only to find that what she’d actually done was to assist in the birth of a litter of piglets? Well, based on my memory of Jones’ posts in that thread, it wouldn’t have been him. I could be remembering this incorrectly, but, whether right or wrong, I do not recall him being mean-spirited, or engaging much in the hundreds of pages of rank insults that followed the initial posting. I do recall reading about the perceptions of the mods as to how Goldacre reacted once all of this came to light; how would most people feel were they in his shoes? It had to be tremendously embarrassing. I don’t think he’s had much to do with the forum since, and only allowed it to continue so long as the mods promised they’d never let anything like that ever happen again.

    But they let it happen once, which was once too many.

  3. Harassment Act http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/crime/2009/200908CRISAH01.pdf

    If the Bad Science dimwits are floating around, do read the above.

    Ciao

    Rita

  4. I’m not sure if this is a temporary glitch, but I am unable to get badscience.net to load at all – not through the forum links and not via the main page. Is it possible that Goldacre has removed the site – possibly due to legal advice?

  5. Dunno yet. Previously all main pages were there just could not see the comment threads – so servers were up and working but comment threads all missing. So if glitch it was an unusual one. But too early to say what the cause of this is. Have to wait and see unless someone might want to ask him wassamatta Ben?

  6. All BadScience Forum pages now back up.

  7. Thanks – I was kind of hoping that he’d ‘seen the light’ and decided to take them down. Live in hope LOL

  8. Reblogged this on No Compulsory Vaccination and commented:
    Follow up on the post shared yesterday. It appears that these people are completely unapologetic for their role in the misery and deaths of the vulnerable and will continue their actions until more people are driven to suicide. Nice people, hey?

  9. Yep. Nice people.

    Looks like DT [ie. Flegg] does not like your blog. LOL – claims “3 basic factual errors in one simple sentence”.

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