NSNBC Full Report – More than 50% of those Diagnosed with Measles in Pakistan had been Vaccinated

Posted on May 27, 2013 by ChildHealthSafety

Sat, May 25th, 2013 By Christof Lehmann (nsnbc)

Islamabad city hospital continues receiving children suffering from measles. Authorities inform that all necessary precautions have been taken. More than 50% of the children brought to the hospital are children who previously have been vaccinated. The Pakistani figures corroborate recently released British documentation for a 30-year long cover-up of vaccinations inefficiency and the involved health risks. 

The outpatient departments of Pakistan´s Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) and Ployclinic, reportedly receive 20 – 25 measles cases per day, and sources at the PIMS Childrens Hospital report that the Outpatient Department receives more than 120 cases every month.

The head of the pediatric department at the Children Hospital, Dr. Tabish Hazir reports, that there has been a measles outbreak in the twin cities since December 2012 and that the health authorities are still declining to accept it. Dr. Tabish Hazir states, that “It is a bitter fact that despite mass anti-measles vaccinations and all-out efforts to contain the disease, cases continue to surface”. 

Significantly, Dr. Tabish Hazir implicitly states the fact which critics of the vaccination program have stated all-along, which is, that the vaccinations are ineffective and that the considerable health risks involved in the vaccination program does not justify the mass immunization.

50% of those diagnosed have been vaccinated. According to Dr. Tabish Hazir, “More than 50% of  the children brought to the hospital were those who already had been vaccinated.”. 

Dr. Tabish Hazir stated, that since January 2013 more than 550 children have been clinically diagnosed with measles at PIMS. 180 of these cases came from urban areas of Islamabad, 40 from Bhara Kahu, 25 from Alipur Farash, 15 from Bari Imam and 126 fom Rawalpindi and the rest is distributed among other parts of the country.  So far, only one death has resulted from the outbreak.

Dr. Tabish Hazir stressed the urgent need for new epidemiological studies as more than 50% of the children brought to the hospital were those who had already been vaccinated against measles. “It is important that the characteristic of the virus be closely monitored and studied. Blood samples should be sent to The Centre for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Atlanta, for laboratory test and verification”. 

The fact that Pakistan has to send laboratory samples abroad, and especially abroad to the USA and the CDC is being criticized by critics of the vaccination program, as the CDC has repeatedly come under fire for highly biased reports and for “pushing vaccination programs”.

Despite high incidence no outbreak. The Director of Health of Pakistan´s CDA, Dr. Urooj Hassan stated, that despite the high number of cases, there has not been an outbreak of measles in Islamabad and that all the necessary measures had been taken since the first case of measles was reported in the capital.

UK Documents released in Freedom of Information Act request document 30-year long cover-up of vaccines inefficiency and health risks. Earlier in 2013, documents which had been released in a Freedom of Information Act Request in the United Kingdom caused grave concerns about the efficiency of vaccination programs and their health risks.

The released documents clarified that there has been a 30 year long cover-up of the facts that the United Kingdom´s health officials have known that vaccines don´t work, have known that vaccines cause the diseases against which they are supposed to immunize, have known that vaccines constitute a health hazard to children.

Furthermore, the released documents clarify that the UK´s health officials have colluded to lie to the public and worked to prevent safety studies.

NSNBC Editor´s note: To put this into perspective; Infant mortality from measles in Pakistan is lower than infant mortality caused by US-Military Drone Attacks.

Related articles:

Measles outbreak: City hospitals continue to receive new cases

The Vaccine Hoax is Over. Documents from UK reveal 30 Years of Coverup

About the Author

– Dr. Christof Lehmann is the founder and editor of nsnbc. He is a psychologist and independent political consultant on conflict and conflict resolution and a wide range of other political issues. His work with traumatized victims of conflict has led him to also pursue the work as political consultant. He is a lifelong activist for peace and justice, human rights, Palestinians rights to self-determination in Palestine, and he is working on the establishment of international institutions for the prosecution of all war crimes, also those committed by privileged nations. On 28 August 2011 he started his blog nsnbc, appalled by misrepresentations of the aggression against Libya and Syria. In March 2013 he turned nsnbc into a daily, independent, international on-line newspaper.

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7 Responses

  1. John Wantling, on May 29, 2013 at 7:44 am said:

    There is a big difference between immunity and the interference or suppression of disease symptoms. Pakistan’s measles mass vaccination program is pointless and a total waste of time and money. Because the Pakistani health authorities have been conditioned into the theory of germ, they translate no symptoms as immunity, but the reality is that this is not immunity at all. The medics do not understand the mechanisms of disease and neither do the Pakistani health authorities, so they make the same mistake as the UK and the US by jumping on the suppression/poison bandwagon assuming that what they are doing will make the mass population healthier and that they will be protected from measles, which is clearly not the case by any stretch of the imagination. This is why vaccines do not protect against any disease, because they do not have any relationship with immunity, they merely suppress and interfere with disease symptoms with bad science, dogma and blind belief in support. Pakistan needs to wake up from its deep sleep and stop throwing resources and endless money into mass vaccination programs.

  2. Dilation. & Curettage, on June 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm said:

    “NSNBC Full Report – More than 50% of those Diagnosed with Measles in Pakistan had been Vaccinated”

    Not.

    http;//jdc325wordpress.com/2013/06/23/measles-in-pakistan-anti-vaccine-websites-go-cherry-picking/

  3. Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum Troll & Spammer, on June 24, 2013 at 10:52 am said:

    It seems Christof Lehmann has taken a single quote from a doctor at a single hospital and expanded this to the whole of Pakistan. The real situation is summed up here http://tribune.com.pk/story/540081/measles-epidemic/

    “Out of thousands of cases, 60 per cent of children — most of them below five years of age — were not administered even a single dose, though proper immunisation requires two doses of the vaccine. Approximately 20 per cent of children were vaccinated incompletely with only one dose.”

    So 80% of those catching measles in Pakistan are not fully vaccinated.

    [ED: This comment is by one of Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience spammer/trolls – the usual BadScience trolling – intellectually dishonest and to disrupt and intentionally mislead.

    The troll comment quotes an EARLIER story (25th April) from the very same publication (the Express Tribune) to claim the LATER updated fuller Express Tribune story (27th April) was not giving the full picture and to claim that 80% of children in Pakistan had not been vaccinated – which is also completely false.

    The troll additionally chooses to ignore the main point being made by Dr Tabish Hazir, head of the paediatrics department at the Children Hospital, PIMS, that half the cases of measles were in vaccinated children – in other words the vaccination was not working.

    And just to show how cherry-picking Dr Goldacre’s BadScience trolls are, the BadScience troll’s claim that 80% were “not fully” vaccinated was based on the claim two vaccinations are needed to be “fully vaccinated” – whereas that is not true.

    But of course if the troll wants to have it that way it would be worse because it would mean that half the cases of measles were in the 20% who were fully vaccinated – which for Dr Goldacre’s BadScience mathematically challenged trolls would mean that being fully vaccinated dramatically increases the chance of getting measles – by a factor of 3 to 4 times.

    And the 80% “not fully vaccinated” is a straight “BadScience” lie.

    It is claimed officially that although 95% of vaccinees seroconvert on the first vaccine – a second dose is needed for the remaining 5% – the majority of whom it is claimed also seroconvert on receiving a second vaccine.

    So the 80% “not fully vaccinated” is false as 95% of vaccinees are fully vaccinated with one dose [until it wears off – which is another failure of vaccination – unlike natural immunity (but like true love) it does not last.]

  4. Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum Troll & Spammer, on June 26, 2013 at 8:54 am said:

    Ed, that is a really odd response you made. You seem to have several things confused and certainly have confused the two reports. I don’t think your math is up to scratch either.

    Let me help out. So the report I mentioned gave figures for the thousands of children across Pakistan who have been infected with measles. It states that 60% of those infected had not been vaccinated, 20% have received one vaccination and 20% had received no vaccinations.

    The later report you mentioned was for a single hospital in Islamabad. It states that 50% of those infected had been vaccinated, but does not give figures for those who have been partially vaccinated or fully vaccinated.

    Trying then to conclude that 50% of measles cases are in the 20% of those who have been fully vaccinated is just insane, because neither of the reports gives the total numbers of children who have been fully vaccinated, just the % of cases in those vaccinated.

    Now it is possible to do the calculation backwards if you know the percentage of the population has been vaccinated. The WHO estimates 0.9 million children in Pakistan have not been immunised at all against measles http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2013/measles_20130117/en/ out of some 22 million children under 5. So 50%, in Islamabad, or 60%, in Pakistan, of measles cases in children are occurring in the 4% of the population that has not been immunised. Which makes by my calculation at least 22 times more likely to catch measles if unvaccinated compared to vaccinated.

    Always happy to help

    [ED: Another spam trolling comment from Chris Preston of Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum – (some of whom bully and attack parents of sick children for sport).

    Preston’s first comment claimed completely falsely about this article from NSNBC that “It seems Christof Lehmann has taken a single quote from a doctor at a single hospital and expanded this to the whole of Pakistan.”

    The article was all about Islamabad and not about the whole of Pakistan. So Preston came here to make false claims – but that is of course because he is one of Dr Goldacre’s BadScience Forum trolls.

    And he tried in that comment to claim that 80% of children in Islamabad had not been vaccinated.

    But we pointed out that would mean it was 3-4 times more likely that a vaccinated child in Islamabad would catch measles – which seems completely barking mad.

    Now Preston comes back to claim his completely barking mad figure of 80% not being vaccinated is our figure and that it is our math which is bad and not his. What a troll. He set out to mislead and then when caught out comes back here to pretend it was not him.

    This is classic and a “must keep” – perfect example of trolling behaviour.

    Thanks for “helping” Chris “Troll Spammer” Preston – very useful.

    But just in case you do not realise what a troll Chris Preston is – here are some of his other trolling activities – in addition to his being seriously mathematically challenged (what a moron):

    2013/05/19 at 5:04 am

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  5. Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum Troll & Spammer, on July 5, 2013 at 8:00 am said:

    Ed, you still seem to be having trouble, this time with reading comprehension. Let me help you out. We should start with his headline, what does it state? “More than 50 % of those Diagnosed with Measles in Pakistan had been Vaccinated.” Yes that is the one, notice it said Pakistan, not Islamabad. So Lehmann did take comments from a doctor about a single hospital in Islamabad and expanded that to a claim that 50% of all those diagnosed with measles in Pakistan had been vaccinated, as I explained previously.

    Shall we look at your next claim? If you go back to my original comment, I write this: “So 80% of those catching measles in Pakistan are not fully vaccinated.” Nothing about children in Islamabad. Your comments that my meaning is children in Islamabad are 3-4 times more likely to catch measles are based entirely on a mistake of your own making.

    And I really like the idea of your evidence for trolling activities to be links to posts that you have deleted and inserted your own commentary. That is a class act there. However, I do thank you for extracting my previous post from moderation after a week. That was nice of you, even if everything in your response was wrong.

    As you know, I am always happy to help

    [ED: More trolling. You seem to be having a bit of a problem with Geography, comprehension, math and fact-checking. Let us help you. We too are happy to help.

    What you BadScience Forum people of course tend not to do is admit you were ever wrong in the first place – so you keep on coming back again and again and again. So thanks for the further demonstration of trolling behaviour – or is it obsessive? Or perhaps both?

    As you will see below it appears that it is correct that 50% of children in Pakistan [and not just Islamabad] have been vaccinated against measles. Bit of a fact-checking problem there Chris. Your calculation and claim that “So 80% of those catching measles in Pakistan are not fully vaccinated” appears completely misleading.

    It is of course based on your own thin but hot air and no source whatsoever.

    Islamabad is also the capital city of Pakistan. So the children reported are in Pakistan and had got measles and had been vaccinated. Reading comprehension there Chris – how’s it coming along?

    And the entire story was about Islamabad. And 50% of those coming down with measles had been vaccinated.

    The earlier story you relied on was itself misleading which is doubtless why The Tribune published the later story regarding 50% getting measles still being vaccinated to correct it.

    And your entire beef seems to be based on a story – which was clearly about Islamabad throughout – which is also in Pakistan – so did not and could not mislead – had a headline stating the children concerned were in Pakistan. But of course if you only read headlines and not the story you will not get all the information will you. So again – reading comprehension seems to be a bit off there Chris.

    And you of course did not say – “I am complaining about the headline and not the story“. If you did you would have been in the brown stuff straight away because the story is clearly about Islamabad. But there would have been no point you making a comment like that because it is answered far too easily and people will see you are being pedantic and acting like “Mr Angry”. But here of course being clear about what you wanted to say would not help you to be a troll so you chose to be opaque and did not make yourself clear to other readers – which is what trolls do.

    And you set out to mislead. You did not say – “Ah, well that may be the case in Islamabad, but I believe that 80% of children in Pakistan generally have not been vaccinated.” And had you done that it seems you would still have been wrong and misleading. [More on that below].

    And that is not all. The whole point of the story was that the head of pediatrics at a leading hospital in Pakistan said “there was an urgent need to study the epidemiology of the disease” because 50% of those coming down with measles had been vaccinated. The vaccine clearly is not working. These are vaccinated children being hospitalised with measles and not just catching it.

    No comment from Chris Troll/Spammer Preston on that whatsoever – you have had absolutely nothing whatsoever to say about the main point of the story – bit of a bummer that Chris – so you don’t object at all to the main point the story makes – which strongly indicates the story is not misleading.

    If the story said Dr Tabish wore blue shoes but only really ever wears black you doubtless would have complained the whole story is misleading. Ha!

    You further set out to mislead by referring to “a single quote from a doctor at a single hospital“. But the “single doctor” is the head of pediatrics.

    But that is not all. He is the head of pediatrics at the Childrens Hospital so in a leadership role for other pediatricians in that hospital in Islamabad.

    But that is not all. The single hospital is the Childrens Hospital of the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in the capital city of Islamabad. So in a leadership position for the whole of Pakistan.

    Dear, dear, Chris – how misleading of you BadScience folks.

    And this was in the context of the medical officials denying there was a measles outbreak – “CDA Director Health Dr Urooj Hassan claimed that there has been no outbreak of measles in Islamabad, despite the high number of cases. “All necessary measures have been taken since the first case of measles was reported in the capital,” he said.”

    [Which is interesting regarding the position recently in South Wales, UK. In Pakistan that small number of South Wales cases is not an outbreak whereas in the UK it is a dramatic serious matter of a national emergency.]

    And you further set out to mislead with your 80% figure. You clearly did not check.

    And complaining about when or whether your posts get approved is a bit rich coming from a relentless troll. We are perfectly entitled not to post your comments at all – but then there are your associates like the relentless troll who uses various names like “Invigilator 2” and fake email addresses to spam and harass whilst of course thankfully providing clear evidence of what one too many of Dr Ben Goldacre’s BadScience Forum people and their associates get up to.

    It appears that across Pakistan the summary figure of 50% of children does appear to apply:
    “Among children aged 12-23 months, slightly more than half (51%, 477/904) had received measles vaccine. Similarly, 51% (2103/3964) of the children aged 10-59 months had received the measles vaccine. “
    Equity and vaccine uptake: a cross-sectional study of measles vaccination in Lasbela District, Pakistan. Steven Mitchell, Neil Andersson, Noor M Ansari, Khalid Omer, José L Soberanis and Anne Cockcroft.

    Here are graphs and tables from the paper:

    Table 3 Measles vaccination among children aged 10-59 months (urban areas).

    Table 4 Measles vaccination among children aged 10-59 months (rural areas).

    Proportion of children aged 10-59 months vaccinated among equity sub-groups in urban areas.
    Mitchell et al. BMC International Health and Human Rights 2009 9(Suppl 1):S7 doi:10.1186/1472-698X-9-S1-S7

    Proportion of children aged 10-59 months vaccinated among equity sub-groups in rural areas. Mitchell et al. BMC International Health and Human Rights 2009 9(Suppl 1):S7 doi:10.1186/1472-698X-9-S1-S7

    ]

  6. ChildHealthSafety, on July 6, 2013 at 10:46 am said:

    We have posted the following on James D Cole’s blog [who posts as jdc325] and in response to his claims this NSNBC article is misleading:

    ChildHealthSafety said,

    July 6, 2013 at 7:06 am

    On the contrary you are being pedantic making up a blog post out of nothing. And pedantic is mild. “I am complaining about the headline and not the story“. You have also based this blog post on junk figures.

    It is pathetic that you have based an entire blog post on claiming a headline is misleading when it is not and when you have no criticism whatsoever of the main point of the story – that vaccinated children in Pakistan are getting measles and a leading pediatrician in a leading hospital is speaking out because it is a problem. And you made up the figures to make claims like “it seems likely that a minority of patients with measles in Pakistan have been vaccinated” when it is plainly not true and based on an editorial with no substantiation.

    When you don’t have science supporting your position, you make it up.

    What is worse is you say “I criticised NSNBC’s misinterpretation of the newspaper report of Dr Hazir’s comments”. When that is precisely not what you complain about. You complain about the headline.

    And you are now further dissembling by trying to turn your false claim the headline is misleading into a false claim of misreporting “they are not relevant to my criticism of NSNBC’s misreporting of a Tribune article”. But misreporting is precisely not what you are complaining about and you are clearly trying to back off from the claim the headline is misleading to turn it into “misreporting” precisely because the headline is not misleading.

    May we quote you? “You would have to be either incredibly stupid or shamelessly dishonest to do such a thing, so I do hope I have misunderstood your intent here.”

    No one is misled by the headline or the story. Your entire blog proves that. Headlines are short summary descriptions of what a story is about. Nor is it misleading.

    But of course if you only read headlines and not the story you will not get all the information will you. So again – reading comprehension seems to be a bit off there.

    Your main point is easily answered – you are pedantic.

    If the headline said 50% of “all” children in Pakistan getting measles then only might you have a point but even if it did the facts would not support you making such a claim. It would be misleading. But you chose not to check properly. You cherry-picked. You are the one doing precisely what you wrongfully accuse CHS of doing but will never admit that or apologise.

    Like Preston you seem to have trouble with comprehension and geography. So let us help you.

    Your entire beef is the headline not the report. The report is clearly about Islamabad throughout.

    Geography and comprehension: Islamabad is in Pakistan. The headline stated the children hospitalised with measles were in Pakistan and 50% were vaccinated. Which is all true.

    So you are in the brown stuff straight away because the story is clearly about Islamabad as you point out. And you clearly were not misled by the story.

    And of course what you cherry-pickingly avoid is the fact that the story sets out where the children come from – which was not just Islamabad but other named regions and “other parts of the country”. You missed that bit out entirely in your efforts to claim the headline is misleading and that this leading hospital at this leading scientific institute for the whole of Pakistan “is not necessarily representative of Pakistan as a whole” when the point it – it is.

    The whole point of the story was that the head of pediatrics at a leading hospital in Pakistan said “there was an urgent need to study the epidemiology of the disease” because 50% of those coming down with measles in a large area of Pakistan had been vaccinated. These are vaccinated children being hospitalised with measles and not just catching it.

    You further set out to mislead by referring to “One children’s hospital in one part of Pakistan is not necessarily representative of Pakistan as a whole“.

    But this was the head of pediatrics at the Childrens Hospital in Islamabad, so is in a leadership role for other pediatricians in that hospital in Islamabad.

    But that is not all. The single hospital is the Childrens Hospital of the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in the capital city of Islamabad. So in a leadership position for the whole of Pakistan.

    And he is speaking out against health officials denying there is a problem.

    How misleading of you BadScience Forum people.

    And here is another example of your misleading reporting “One children’s hospital in one part of Pakistan is not necessarily representative of Pakistan as a whole”. Who says so? Oh, a one-sided blog without a shred of evidence either way – so that’s all right then. No it is not.

    And it is of course interesting comparing South Wales UK with what health officials in Pakistan claim “CDA Director Health Dr Urooj Hassan claimed that there has been no outbreak of measles in Islamabad, despite the high number of cases.

    In Pakistan a much larger number of cases that the small number in South Wales cases is not an outbreak whereas in the UK it is a dramatic serious matter of a national emergency.

    You have also based this article on junk figures. We have cited formal figures from peer reviewed literature and official census data not junk editorials and figures WHO admit must be used with caution because they could be wildly inaccurate.

    Preston came over to CHS to claim that “80% of those catching measles in Pakistan are not fully vaccinated”. But now claims “Immunisation for 1 shot of measles is between 80 and 88%, depending on whether Government estimates or WHO estimates are used. ”

    The figures you cited are not even real figures but ones cobbled together from different sources and a number of assertions of facts for which there is no substantiation provided – just your personal biases and prejudice.

    Great source too – an editorial in a newspaper – not even a proper news report – pure opinion and not subject to the normal fact-checking that western newspapers apply to news reports.

    Even what Preston now claims shows that is not just wildly misleading it is wrong [but he does not admit that or apologise either just like you]. He was claiming 80% are not fully vaccinated. But now claims 80 to 88% had at least one dose.

    You have cherry-picked figures to make wild and vicious allegations without checking the facts nor relying on peer reviewed literature. And it is completely false.

    You got it wrong and used that to make vicious false allegations which do not stand up. You won’t admit you are wrong and you won’t apologise [yet again].

  7. ChildHealthSafety, on July 7, 2013 at 8:30 am said:

    We have posted the following on James D Cole’s blog [who posts as jdc325] and in response to his claims this NSNBC article is misleading:

    ChildHealthSafety said, July 7, 2013 at 7:12 am

    It seems we have touched a raw nerve and rightly so. So let us touch it more.

    You had to invent a NEW news story – not the one reported – cobbled together using your junk science figures to attempt to justify your false allegations.

    In your first line you say “Child Health Safety uncritically repeats a report”. In other words you claim we are obliged to go and dig out junk figures just like you did and make a shambolic amateur analysis of those junk figures just like you did.

    No we are not. You first went off the rails with your attack in the first line and that is because you set out to attack and criticise without justification.

    In the Tribune report Dr. Tabish Hazir is quoted saying 50% of cases were vaccinated. It does not say “partially vaccinated” – he says “vaccinated”.

    Nor does the Tribune news report make reference to the figures in the Tribune editorial you cite [an editorial!!]. If those figures were relevant or even correct then it is reasonable to expect them to appear in the Tribune news report but they did not. So one must assume they were wrong and that the later Tribune story was reported to correct that.

    So again, you made all of this up out of nothing.

    And again – we repeat – no one was misled by the article or the headline.

    And particularly, everyone could see the article was about Islamabad.

    They could also see what Dr Hazir was saying was referable to large geographical regions of Pakistan. And they could also see that Dr Hazir is the head of pediatrics of the Childrens Hospital of the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences in Islamabad and is therefore in a leadership position for the whole of Pakistan.

    You seem to have difficulty with those facts as if they are mutually incompatible. They are not – they are the facts.

    May we quote you again? “Did you innocently misunderstand or are you just dishonestly attempting to evade and mislead people?”

    This is just like you did with a professional journalist on this blog – you did not like the straight factual news report that the Italian Court found a child’s autism was caused by the MMR vaccine so you attacked her reporting because you “did not agree” with the facts reported. You wanted other facts reported – your facts – no doubt just like your junk “facts” here. You wanted to control what that journalist writes by attacking, bullying and harassing her with your blog.

    The truth is there is nothing wrong with the CHS article. But there is something very wrong with you psychologically. You are incapable of allowing other people to express their views or give accounts of facts which go against your deeply held views. You appear to want to control and the tools you use include to bully, berate and mislead because your viewpoint must prevail over all others no matter how flawed yours is.

    You say “some of us work for a living and/or have a life”. Do you have a girlfriend?

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